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[Revmitchell]

Complaint Filed against Australian Christian Resort for Refusing Homosexual Youth Group

By Tim Waggoner

VICTORIA, AU, September 8, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Homosexuals in Australia are using a Christian camp's refusal to host a pro-homosexual group as a test case to attempt to overturn legal exemptions that exist for religious groups in the Equal Opportunity Act. The Act, similar to other Western "anti-discrimination" measures, exists to "eliminate sexual and racial harassment in the workplace, educational institutions and accommodation."


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[Gold Dragon]

Complaint Filed against Australian Christian Resort for Refusing Homosexual Youth Group

By Tim Waggoner

VICTORIA, AU, September 8, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Homosexuals in Australia are using a Christian camp's refusal to host a pro-homosexual group as a test case to attempt to overturn legal exemptions that exist for religious groups in the Equal Opportunity Act. The Act, similar to other Western "anti-discrimination" measures, exists to "eliminate sexual and racial harassment in the workplace, educational institutions and accommodation."

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Here is the exception that the Way Out group is trying to have overturned. This exception in the Equal Opportunity Act protects the Christian camp.

Victoria Consolidated Legislation: Equal Opportunity Act (1995): Exception-welfare measures

55. Exception-welfare measures

A person may refuse to provide accommodation to another person in a hostel or
similar institution established wholly or mainly for the welfare of persons of
a particular sex, age, race or religious belief if the other person is not of
that sex, age, race or religious belief.

I don't see how they have a case since they are not being discriminated against for their sexuality but their religion. If they were homosexual Christians or if the camp were open to all members of the public, then maybe they would have case.

 

[Revmitchell]

Here is the exception that the Way Out group is trying to have overturned. This exception in the Equal Opportunity Act protects the Christian camp.



I don't see how they have a case since they are not being discriminated against for their sexuality but their religion. If they were homosexual Christians or if the camp were open to all members of the public, then maybe they would have case.

Aside from the fact that there is no such thing as a homosexual christian how are they not being discriminated because of their sexuality? And they are homosexuals.


1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

 

[Jon-Marc]

It's not discrimination to turn away homosexuals at a Christian camp; it's the right of the Christians. No one can be a practicing homosexual AND a Christian. Paul named a number of sins including "effeminate" guys (or homosexual), and then said, "Such WERE some of you."

They USED to be that way, but that changed when they met the Lord. They didn't continue in their sin. No, there's no such thing as a homosexual Christian. Anyone can be saved, but if they are then they will want to turn from their sinful ways.

 

[just-want-peace]

It's not discrimination to turn away homosexuals at a Christian camp; it's the right of the Christians. No one can be a practicing homosexual AND a Christian. Paul named a number of sins including "effeminate" guys (or homosexual), and then said, "Such WERE some of you."

They USED to be that way, but that changed when they met the Lord. They didn't continue in their sin. No, there's no such thing as a homosexual Christian. Anyone can be saved, but if they are then they will want to turn from their sinful ways.

Careful JM - some on this board will probably take you to task for actually believing the Word of God as written!!!

 

[Revmitchell]

Actually it is discrimination. Contrary to popular belief some discrimination is warranted. Churches should discriminate against those who hold world views contrary to scripture. Much like in the case of homosexuals. We should not have them in our camps, on our staff, or on our membership rolls of our church.

 

[Crabtownboy]

My guess is that in Australia, like in the US, any one can sue anyone or group over anything, but that does not mean the case has any merit.

RevM. you say there are no homosexual Christians. Is homosexuality the unforgiveable sin? If not, what other sins negate a person being a Christian?

 

[Revmitchell]

RevM. you say there are no homosexual Christians.

I didn't say it God did:


1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,


As far as your other questions they are silly and unwarranted.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I didn't say it God did:


1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality.

Is that a "yes" homosexuality is the unforgivable sin?

So Newt G. cannot be a Christian. Is that right?

The scripture you quote says men who practice homosecuality. So, does that mean gay women can be Christian?

 

[just-want-peace]

I didn't say it God did:


1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality.

Is that a "yes" homosexuality is the unforgivable sin?

So Newt G. cannot be a Christian. Is that right?

The scripture you quote says men who practice homosecuality. So, does that mean gay women can be Christian?

If you were a stranger to the Word of God, your post may have some merit: however the following scripture is the answer to your questions.

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

 

[dragonfly]

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
(NIV)

I will not argue about homosexuality being a sin, the Bible says that it is therefore it is a settled fact. However, would you say that someone who is greedy or one who slanders would also not be a Christian?

 

[Marcia]

Crabtownboy wrote:
Is that a "yes" homosexuality is the unforgivable sin?

So Newt G. cannot be a Christian. Is that right?

The scripture you quote says men who practice homosecuality. So, does that mean gay women can be Christian?

I think practicing homosexuality is the issue - for men and women. It's a sign of the corruption of sin in Rom. 1 - that and worship of creation and creatures.

I think the bottom line is that sexual relations are to occur only between a married couple (comprising of a man and a woman - sad we have to say that now).

I think people can be forgiven of this, of course. I have heard men who were homosexual prior to becoming a Christian speak and they say that for gay men and women who become believers they often struggle with it, like an alcoholic. But they no longer identify themselves as homosexuals.

Of course, tell that to the Metropolitan Community Church and to Philip Yancey (see his interview with Whosever Magazine, a magazine for "gay Christians" at http://www.whosoever.org/v8i6/yancey.shtml).

Yancey says:

As I've attended gay and lesbian churches, I'm also saddened that the evangelical church by and large finds no place for homosexuals. I've met wonderful, committed Christians who attend MCC churches, and I wish that the larger church had the benefit of their faith

and

My church in Chicago spent a couple of years carefully studying the issue. The church had openly gay members, but did not allow practicing homosexuals in leadership positions (as they did not allow unmarried "practicing heterosexuals," whatever that means). The committee studying the issue looked at the biblical and theological and social aspects and finally came down in the same place: welcoming but not affirming homosexuals in leadership roles. Conservatives got mad and left. Many gays and lesbians also left, hurt that the church reinforced their "second-class citizen" status.

He was interviewed by Candace Chellew-Hodge, a "recovering Southern Baptist,"who mentions her "partner" in the interview. This is her bio:

Candace Chellew-Hodge is a recovering Southern Baptist and founder/editor of Whosoever: An Online Magazine for GLBT Christians. She is an ordained minister and holds a master's in theological studies from the Candler School of Theology at Emory University in Atlanta, Ga.She is a spiritual director trained through the Episcopal Diocese of Atlanta.

This interview was in 2004 but it seems it has bothered nobody in the church, as far as I know.

 

[Revmitchell]

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
(NIV)

I will not argue about homosexuality being a sin, the Bible says that it is therefore it is a settled fact. However, would you say that someone who is greedy or one who slanders would also not be a Christian?

How many people do you know who is trying to get laws passed forcing people to accept adulterers, slanderers, etc.?

 

[dragonfly]

How many people do you know who is trying to get laws passed forcing people to accept adulterers, slanderers, etc.?

You are correct; homosexuality is wrong. I have never defended it. I just think it is the prevalent one in a list that we Christians focus on more than some others, that's all.

 

[Revmitchell]

You are correct; homosexuality is wrong. I have never defended it. I just think it is the prevalent one in a list that we Christians focus on more than some others, that's all.

I understand that you believe it is wrong. I also understand that you misunderstand the motive behind our energetic opposition to it. It is prevalent because it is being fought for in our courts and in our congress. If it wasn't it wouldn't be so prevalent.

 

[Marcia]

You are correct; homosexuality is wrong. I have never defended it. I just think it is the prevalent one in a list that we Christians focus on more than some others, that's all.

We have good reason to focus on it; it's being pushed onto the culture very aggressively. At the beginning, it was just a demand for being able to legally do certain things. Then it escalated through many steps until now it's a demand for legal marriage.

Many high schools have GLBT clubs - more and more middle schools have these now as well. Kids are taught in school to accept homosexuality as "normal." Not only that, but they are taught if they have feelings for the same sex that it's natural and maybe they are gay. I have seen this in books for teens ages 13 and 14. If you are a parent, I can tell you this is sure a big issue.