COMMON-ground?

[preacher4truth]

You may be right. Those people out there somewhere who believe fallen humanity are really "pretty good fellers" and "seek God" on their own without His initiation would be greatly offended if you thought they also "saved themselves." I apologize for implying that you believed those people think they "save themselves."

When you said, "they went to the polls, an via free-will voted for God, all on their own goodness and ability," I'm sure you didn't mean they were using their goodness to cast a free-will vote for God in a saving manner and so I'm sure that was a complete misrepresentation of what you really meant when you said that about these nebulous folks.

So, I apologize for misrepresenting your views about Baptist believers who don't exist. :smilewinkgrin:

Actually, in context, you went off on this that I said, representing actual persons on the BB. Now you pretend this to not be the case.

Of course, this is how you roll. Changing contexts at will, twisting, misrepresenting, accusing.

You accused me of stating that those on here (The BB) whom I referred to specifically in context, to whom you specifically in context "protected", are saving themselves.

Something only you said, not me.

Let's get an apology in context, shall we?

:wavey:

 

[humblethinker]

I've explained myself, yet you must continue to hold that what you got out of it is correct.

Don't hurt your head, you may need to use it again.

If that is the case then I truly don't understand what you meant when you answered his questions the way you did. Wuld you answer this question: What do you mean by "Take it up with God."?

 

[preacher4truth]

If that is the case then I truly don't understand what you meant when you answered his questions the way you did. Wuld you answer this question: What do you mean by "Take it up with God."?

I've already explained that. Look back and perhaps ponder upon it and give the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps pretending my theology exactly as yours may help?

 

[JesusFan]

I think I've answered this before when I wrote:

God "obligated" Himself to indeed save all of those who place faith in Jesus, and He allowed them to fulfill this requirement of faith by providing it as part of His free Gift to the Elect in Christ jesus...

he applied to them enabling/saving Grace, and thus they can than respond by faith and meet the "requirements" of God!

 

[quantumfaith]

You may be right. Those people out there somewhere who believe fallen humanity are really "pretty good fellers" and "seek God" on their own without His initiation would be greatly offended if you thought they also "saved themselves." I apologize for implying that you believed those people think they "save themselves."

When you said, "they went to the polls, an via free-will voted for God, all on their own goodness and ability," I'm sure you didn't mean they were using their goodness to cast a free-will vote for God in a saving manner and so I'm sure that was a complete misrepresentation of what you really meant when you said that about these nebulous folks.

So, I apologize for misrepresenting your views about Baptist believers who don't exist. :smilewinkgrin:

I am sure you have heard the phrase...."You took the words right out of my mouth", but you were so much more eloquent. Thanks Humble.

 

[JesusFan]

Aaron, with all due respect brother, what purpose do comments like this serve except to inflame by not all that subtly implying that we can't have a relationship with Christ if we don't agree with your theological system. You don't present any argumentation, scripture or even philosophical reasoning to make a case for your views. Instead, you just make implications about the salvation (or lack thereof) of those with whom you disagree. I sincerely and respectfully request that you stop doing that.

Even though in JUST doctrine of Sotierology, would adhere to DoG as better way to understand it than say Arminian theology..

Would say that ALL true Christians would be involved in preaching/teaching same jesus/same Gospel, just one has a "more Biblical" approach to it...

Again though...

I must take what the Inspired word of God states on all doctrines as being infallible, NOT my preferred system theology of choice to interprete it!

 

[webdog]

And yet, the Person and Atonement you describe are not the ones we read of in the Scriptures.

...and this qualifies your use of "carnal" not the cute definition you supplied.

 

[Skandelon]

You accused me of stating that those on here (The BB) whom I referred to specifically in context, to whom you specifically in context "protected", are saving themselves.

That presumes that there are people here on the BB who believe that fallen man are "pretty good fellers" who "seek God" on their own. As soon as you can find me someone who affirms that they believe that here on the BB I will concede that I was wrong.

Plus, can you explain how else we are to take the comment, "they went to the polls, an via free-will voted for God, all on their own goodness and ability?"

Were they casting a vote for God in a non-saving way?

 

[preacher4truth]

That presumes that there are people here on the BB who believe that fallen man are "pretty good fellers" who "seek God" on their own. As soon as you can find me someone who affirms that they believe that here on the BB I will concede that I was wrong.

Plus, can you explain how else we are to take the comment, "they went to the polls, an via free-will voted for God, all on their own goodness and ability?"

Were they casting a vote for God in a non-saving way?

You'll need to answer that one for yourself. :thumbsup:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure. He started the conversation with, "I love John Calvin, BUT...." :smilewinkgrin:

I think you heard Him wrong .... It was probably "I love John MacArthur, BUT..."

 

[humblethinker]

I've already explained that. Look back and perhaps ponder upon it and give the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps pretending my theology exactly as yours may help?

ok, here goes:

Skan said....Ok, but why? Are you smarter? More intelligent? More humble? What good do you have that you have not received and why wouldn't God grant that "good" to all his children? Why would he relegate some of us to view God wrongly and "less sovereignly" than other children?

You'll have to bring that up with God.

Seeing that P4T seems to have answered Skan's questions in the affirmative I believe this justifies Skan asking these questions…

I simply stated that he needs to take that up with God. Not that I am agreeing these things to be true. So you are incorrect.

Why should Skan expect God to tell him what you think instead you just telling him? Obviously, someone asking you "Why is it this way?" (as Skan did) and then you telling him "Take it up with God.", obviously means something to the effect of "that is the way it is, don't ask me, you take it up with God."
:BangHead:

I've explained myself, yet you must continue to hold that what you got out of it is correct.

If that is the case then I truly don't understand what you meant when you answered his questions the way you did. Wuld you answer this question: What do you mean by "Take it up with God."?

I've already explained that. Look back and perhaps ponder upon it and give the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps pretending my theology exactly as yours may help?

It seems you are trying to obfuscate the matter by asking me to "look back", ponder, pretend. There's the discussion above for your reference. Now, what does "pretending my theology exactly as yours" have to do with your replies? As a reasonable person would be able to see, your claim that you have explained yourself explains nothing! I still challenge you with this:
If that is the case then I truly don't understand what you meant when you answered his questions the way you did. Would you answer this question: What do you mean by "Take it up with God."?

 

[Skandelon]

You'll need to answer that one for yourself. :thumbsup:

Oh, is this going to be your new default for when you can't answer arguments? I like it. It shows me when you've been sufficiently silenced. :thumbsup:

 

[JesusFan]

That presumes that there are people here on the BB who believe that fallen man are "pretty good fellers" who "seek God" on their own. As soon as you can find me someone who affirms that they believe that here on the BB I will concede that I was wrong.

Plus, can you explain how else we are to take the comment, "they went to the polls, an via free-will voted for God, all on their own goodness and ability?"

Were they casting a vote for God in a non-saving way?

Think that IF you state that you can "co operate" with God in getting yourself saved, that you possess enough "inate goodness" to be able to freely accept based upon yourself making the decision totally w/o God sdoing 'anything" other than giving you the Gospel message, is what is referring to hear!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I simply stated that he needs to take that up with God. Not that I am agreeing these things to be true. So you are incorrect.

After all, he has some apologizing to do to me.

Ive said this before, Im technically not a Calvinist so how would I answer that question. Plus I think he is saying I'm covering for you Preach. Heck, you can take care of yourself, right.

 

[preacher4truth]

Oh, is this going to be your new default for when you can't answer arguments? I like it. It shows me when you've been sufficiently silenced. :thumbsup:

Not at all. You need to come to your own conclusion.

Thus, you're the one who is silenced. :thumbsup:

 

[quantumfaith]

I am rubber you are glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

God "obligated" Himself to indeed save all of those who place faith in Jesus, and He allowed them to fulfill this requirement of faith by providing it as part of His free Gift to the Elect in Christ jesus...

he applied to them enabling/saving Grace, and thus they can than respond by faith and meet the "requirements" of God!

Is his saving done prior to salvation or after? I think your saying prior to....just want to clarify.

ya know what JF...dont answer the question ....its getting kinda sticky around this thread anyway....Im bouncing on out a here....lol

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am rubber you are glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

Oh Oh Oh ..... your killing me Dave:laugh: Thats a belly laugh right there bro.ROFL

 

[JesusFan]

Is his saving done prior to salvation or after? I think your saying prior to....just want to clarify.

ya know what JF...dont answer the question ....its getting kinda sticky around this thread anyway....Im bouncing on out a here....lol

God and His divine election of His own was before we placed our faith in Jesus, the faith placed in Jesus is moment we became "saved"...

 

[preacher4truth]

Would you answer this question: What do you mean by "Take it up with God."?[/I][/B]

Already did that. You refuse to believe.

Don't be so uptight. I gave you the reason why I said it.