Commonly misquoted bible verses

[MB]

Avoidance - an attempt to escape that which brings discomfort, anxiety, ...

The appeals using such words as “absurdity” do nothing to garner support for your view.

When urged to present edification, even given guidance by providing a series of questions, the response is avoidance?


I attempted to lead you into an understanding concerning God.

I give it here more plainly that the casual reader may understand.

Here is a principle concerning the nature and character of God.

God is not needy or desirous as humankind consider. Within the capacity to display His love, it does not come from motives relating to need.

Because God is all knowing, there is no capacity for Him to:

“wish for, want, long for, yearn for, crave, set one's heart on, hanker after/for, pine for/after, thirst for, itch for, be desperate for, be bent on, have a need for, covet, aspire to; have a fancy for, fancy, feel like, feel in need of;
informal: have a yen for, yen for, be dying for”
(list taken from here )​

Rather, God always puts forth the best offer.

That you stumble over this insight allows for a misalignment of the truth and impugns the Biblical God by presenting a lesser authority.

I couldn't help noticing you left out His will. Since His will is important it seems to me you forget He did die for men to be saved. So His will is His desire and it's a good thing that it is. Your list of things God doesn't do is written by someone who has no idea of what God does or thinks. For instance God is Love. In order for Him to be Love He has to have what He Loves. Your list you have presented is false.
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[MB]

Avoidance - an attempt to escape that which brings discomfort, anxiety, ...

The appeals using such words as “absurdity” do nothing to garner support for your view.

When urged to present edification, even given guidance by providing a series of questions, the response is avoidance?


I attempted to lead you into an understanding concerning God.

I give it here more plainly that the casual reader may understand.

Here is a principle concerning the nature and character of God.

God is not needy or desirous as humankind consider. Within the capacity to display His love, it does not come from motives relating to need.

Because God is all knowing, there is no capacity for Him to:

“wish for, want, long for, yearn for, crave, set one's heart on, hanker after/for, pine for/after, thirst for, itch for, be desperate for, be bent on, have a need for, covet, aspire to; have a fancy for, fancy, feel like, feel in need of;
informal: have a yen for, yen for, be dying for”
(list taken from here )​

Rather, God always puts forth the best offer.

That you stumble over this insight allows for a misalignment of the truth and impugns the Biblical God by presenting a lesser authority.

I've already replied to this post of yours but it seems it just disappeared. The Author of your list is plainly wrong about what God does For instance Jesus died for the sins of the world. God would not have created man with out a need for man and since God is all powerful it does not mean He has no desire. His very will indicates His desire
God has a will that we spread the gospel. It's God's will that we do not sin.
Anyone who can read should know that God has desires.
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[agedman]

I couldn't help noticing you left out His will. Since His will is important it seems to me you forget He did die for men to be saved. So His will is His desire and it's a good thing that it is. Your list of things God doesn't do is written by someone who has no idea of what God does or thinks. For instance God is Love. In order for Him to be Love He has to have what He Loves. Your list you have presented is false.
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At time occurs a confusion of the roll of the Father with that of the Son. Believers tend to place any mention of God in the letters as Christ. But the letters are very consistent concerning the rolls.

The Son:

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4
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Compare with the prayer offered in praise by the early church who recognized both the sovereignty of God, the the work of the Son.

Acts 4: ...they lifted their voices together to God and said, “Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them, 25who through the mouth of our father David, your servant, said by the Holy Spirit,

“‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
and the peoples plot in vain?
26The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed’e—​

27for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place. 29And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness, 30while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
​

In the letters, there is also that distinction between the work of the Father and the Son.

 

[agedman]

I've already replied to this post of yours but it seems it just disappeared. The Author of your list is plainly wrong about what God does For instance Jesus died for the sins of the world. God would not have created man with out a need for man and since God is all powerful it does not mean He has no desire. His very will indicates His desire
God has a will that we spread the gospel. It's God's will that we do not sin.
Anyone who can read should know that God has desires.
MB

Is there not a difference between will and desire?

Again, desire as humans consider is an expression of need or lust. One and / or the other.

God cannot as Sovereign have the capacity of desire. He commands and His will is done, just as Jesus stated, “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”.

 

[MB]

Is there not a difference between will and desire?

Again, desire as humans consider is an expression of need or lust. One and / or the other.

God cannot as Sovereign have the capacity of desire. He commands and His will is done, just as Jesus stated, “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”.

The problem as I see it here is that there is nothing God cannot do. If scripture is true. He is all powerful which is higher than Sovereign..You cannot restrict God. Because all things are possible with God. While God I'm sure lives by His own rules. There are things He may not do but again there is nothing God cannot do.

You asked;
"Is there not a difference between will and desire?" To please God we yield to His desire or will. If we hate God we don't give Him His will or desire. In this case will and desire are the same.
I believe men are walking on egg shells when they become bold enough to imply God has any restrictions.
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mat 19:25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

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[MB]

At time occurs a confusion of the roll of the Father with that of the Son. Believers tend to place any mention of God in the letters as Christ. But the letters are very consistent concerning the rolls.

The Son:

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4
​

Compare with the prayer offered in praise by the early church who recognized both the sovereignty of God, the the work of the Son.

Acts 4: ...they lifted their voices together to God and said, “Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them, 25who through the mouth of our father David, your servant, said by the Holy Spirit,

“‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
and the peoples plot in vain?
26The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed’e—​

27for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place. 29And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness, 30while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”​

In the letters, there is also that distinction between the work of the Father and the Son.

There is distinction. Yet they are one. They are in agreement with them self. One is not separate they all know continuously what is going on. Every decision is made with all knowing and with all agreement. There simply are no restrictions on God's power. There are things He does not do although not because of restrictions because of some title man may give like Sovereign.
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[Van]

On and on with off topic verbiage. Your understanding of God does not match scripture. God desires all people to be saved, and you say God does not desire all people to be saved.

I have attempted to lead you into the biblical understanding of God.

Your views are absurd. All you need to do is read your bible objectively. God means God. Desires means desires. All people means all people.

 

[agedman]

There is distinction. Yet they are one. They are in agreement with them self. One is not separate they all know continuously what is going on. Every decision is made with all knowing and with all agreement. There simply are no restrictions on God's power. There are things He does not do although not because of restrictions because of some title man may give like Sovereign.
MB

We would agree.

Sovereign is the human term used to express of one with supreme and final authority and unrestricted power. God.

However, Human fallen attributes (such as desire, need, want, lust, pride, ...) exist because we have no capacity such as His. There are bindings and consequences that hinder and prevent humankind but have no appearance in the character of God. Remember, Eve was tricked, but Adam was not. Previously Adam experienced no such frailties as desire, need, want, lust, pride, ....

What is also true is that God holds back, in some manner, His will. He does so hold back many commands by conforming the performance of that command to human time, and He often presents to humankind prior indication of the command in the form of prophecy.

For example:
God has decreed that all will repent. That command is held and conformed to human time. We experience and witness repentance, but not all. Yet, the command stands “Every knee will bow.”

One could then look upon the working out of the command in human time in human frailty terms such as God desires, that God is needy, that God is more human attribute driven, ...

But such such thinking is misinformed.

Rather, God puts forth the best offer He provides to humankind. He accompanies the offer with the command results. This is seen most clearly in passages such as John 3.

This brings reconciliation between Christ’s statement of “many” and Paul declaration of “all.”

God’s best offer is given as Paul declares to Timothy, John 3 gives the consequences, Christ told the results as “many.”

That some attempt to place a fallen human attribute upon the character of God is poor thinking.

 

[agedman]

On and on with off topic verbiage. Your understanding of God does not match scripture. God desires all people to be saved, and you say God does not desire all people to be saved.

I have attempted to lead you into the biblical understanding of God.

Your views are absurd. All you need to do is read your bible objectively. God means God. Desires means desires. All people means all people.

Who are you addressing?

 

[Van]

God desires all people to be saved. Those that deny that scripture teaches this truth are posting absurdity, and are misrepresenting scripture, such as 2 Peter 3:9

 

[agedman]

God desires all people to be saved. Those that deny that scripture teaches this truth are posting absurdity, and are misrepresenting scripture, such as 2 Peter 3:9

You do not see the word “desires” as different than that used when Paul expressed his desire(s) a few verses later?

 

[Van]

No need to redefine yet another word to fit your view. Just look at the meaning in a Greek lexicon.

1. to will, have in mind, intend
   1. to be resolved or determined, to purpose
      
   2. to desire, to wish
      
   3. to love
   4. to take delight in, have pleasure

 

[Van]

God desires all people to be saved. To claim otherwise is to misrepresent 2 Peter 3:9