Communion in Children's Church

If they are separated, how are they 'together'? Why separate them?

What ever is taught to the body can be openly taught to all present. If not, why not?
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Ok, listen, I respect you for what you believe. We disagree, that is ok with me and I am certain it is ok with you. I do not intend to 'harangue' you on this (Acts 11.19)

But, as all good Baptists, I find I must have the last word, so please, don't respond
just kidding

I believe the 'whole' church membership should be together in one place. I recognize when God instituted the passover in Goshen that each household had its own lamb and that only those not big enough for its own lamb joined itself to another; but this is in the church and not in Israel.

I will suggest if you haven't already, to have a look at Alfred Edersheim's book on The Temple called The Temple. He was born and raised a Jew and converted to Christ. He provides imho a good discussion of the passover and especially of the differences in the Jewish commemoration and of the christian churche's observance.

As I said, you may have already referenced this and many other books on this topic and I am not trying to insinuate that you haven't, nor am I trying to insult you.

As I said above I honestly respect your belief on this, but I would be something other than what I am, (and so would you by the way) if I believed differently but were afraid to tell you, wouldn't I? I'd be best to just keep my mouth dumb on the subject.

Anyway, I wish you many blessings in serving the Lord, regardless of our differences in practice.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

I didn't say I didn't love the OT concept of the passover, I didn't say you shouldn't teach it.

I am glad it works for you

God Bless
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Bro Dallas,

We are going to have to disagree on this matter of baptism. But one thing we can certainly agree on is that there is no such thing as baptismal regeneration. I am so far from a Cambellite it is not even funny.

Now about John's message. While he certainly taught that he must decrease and the Messiah must increase. He stated that teaching to his disciples who were upset that people were beginning to follow Jesus and not him. The NT teaches that John's main message was "repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand". For the church the Kingdom of God is found in the person of Christ. The Church was birthed a Pentecost, John was not a part of the NT Church. As for his baptism, he was not the only rabbi or prophet baptizing their disciples. It was a common practice and a traditional way of identifying with a particular rabbi's teachings. Those who received the baptism of John were identifying with his message, "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand". We are not baptized, nor is any other born again believer, into John, but into Christ. My water baptism identifies me with the Lord.

I am aware we will not fully agree, but I really enjoy hearing other people's view and discussing differences in a civil way. Thanks for your spirit even with those with which you disagree.

God Bless,

Bro Tony

 

Yes brother Tony, I believe John's Baptism is the one our Lord submitted himself to and I see not Biblical evidence that he changed this. As I stated above, but not in these words, John's Baptism was administered to those exhibiting repentance and belief in the one to come after him who was preferred before him because he was before him, who would baptize them (the church) with the Holy Spirit.

Have you ever been baptized by the Holy Spirit? No. Unless you believe tongues still exist, those at Pentecost was, the gentiles were, the church corporately was, individual believers are filled with the Holy Spirit.
Bro. Dallas

 

Bro Dallas,

Again I would respectfully disagree about this matter of the genuine baptism. I do believe that all born again believers are baptized by the Holy Spirit, not because of the Pentecostal or Charismatic view of this, but I believe the Holy Spirit has identified us with Christ. This is the genuine baptism, while the water baptism is the ritual (outward expression of what has happened on the inside of the believer).
Bro Tony

 

Dear Brother Tony,
I also respect your belief, you are right, we are too far apart to ever be able to agree in this present world, but there is a world which is coming in that which I hold as truth and you hold as truth will be fully reconciled, and as much as the Spirit of God that witnesses to my future enjoyment of the resurrection to righteousness is in me, if I am wrong, at that time I have no doubt I will say a hardy AMEN.

God Bless ya Brother,

Sister SaggyWoman,

We teach concerning the passover also. I think it is an awesome thing to realize that the passover, though observed in the homes of Israelites in Goshen, says nothing about a requirement of being a 'Jew'.

Though scripture is silent, don't you think that an Egyptian hearing and believing the word told to the elders in Israel and applying the blood of the passover lamb to his/her family's doorpost that the angel of death would certainly have to 'passover' that home also? I think so and I think that is awesome.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Children are not saved! The reason they are not saved is becasue they have not accepted Christ as their personal savior. How can they? You cannot accept Christ unless you fully understand sin and the penalty thereof.

BUT, children do not NEED to be saved. They are innocent because they do not understand the Law. This is a doctrine of the age of accountability, (a very traditional time honored Baptist doctrine and a biblical truth) that a child is not guilty of the wages of sin until he understands the effects of that sin.

Because Children are innocent and are under the love of Christ they have every right to partake of Communion. Christ was working, teaching and healing one day when a child came unto him. The apostles, knowing that Jesus was busy working in the ministry shooed that child away. Christ gave a very quick and sharp rebuttle to that apostle telling him to suffer not the little children. He even went to say that their "guardian angels" have direct access to the throne of God. God honors and loves children. They are the pinacle of creation in their innocence and devotion. These children have a right to partake in communion as they need to learn about the reason we have communion.

 

Show me scriptural proof of this.

Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Not a scriptural doctrine .. a cop out so that some baptists can in effect follow the catholiic/presbyterian mistakes of children in covernant.

All have sinned, even if not fully self aware of the sin they are still guilty, same as whwn we do something like speed without being aware that we are doing so.

All, children included, need salvation in Christ, doesn't need a theology degree, needs a heart changed by God. Many on this board report that their children accept christ at a young age (one of my boys was 5) so this mythical age of accountability is nonsense. Is saying one day children are saved by God, then the next they are lost. Truly cruel, and God isn't that!

God is gracious, He can save anyone, from the woomb onwards. Salvation is God's gift, not a thing we earn or suddenly become able to accept or reject.

Regards
Bob

 

But Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven." (Mat 19:14)

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Here Paul is saying that he was once alive without the law, in another scripture Paul tells us that he was born into the Law. How can these two verses compliment? Paul was telling us that in ignorance of right and wrong he was not judged by the Lord. When he came to a maturity of being able to understand the moral right and wrong of sin, then he was judged a sinner. In other words, he was born in sin (the Bible says in sin I was concieved) but he was not held accountable through ignorance.