The Pro-Republican Neo-Nazi's and White Supremecists marched at Charlottsville and were opposed by ANTIFA (Anti-Fascists). These Nazi's were proclaimed by Trump top be "good guys."
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GoodTidings
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That is not entirely true. What actually happened (and this was reported on) was that there was a conservative group that purchased a license to have a rally in a public park in protest of a confederate statue being removed. They were not white supremacists. The white supremacists crashed the rally. They were not invited and the rally was not for white supremacy. The white supremacists essentially hijacked the rally for their own purposes and then Antifa showed up and picked a fight with the white supremacists and some other rally goers who were not party of the white supremacist organization. (And just because a white supremacist dons the mantle of "Republican" doesn't mean that he is a true Republican and the Republican party has never endorsed or promoted a white supremacist at any time.)
When Trump was addressing what happened, he said that there were good people on both sides. He was not endorsing the white supremacists, but rather was acknowledging the fact that not everyone at the rally had ill intent and not all of them were engaged in the fight and that there were people at the rally whose intentions were honorable. He was talking about the original rally-goers, not the white supremacists.
The Liberal media failed, intentionally to report all of the facts regarding this and made it appear that the rally was solely a white supremacist event and failed to mention that the original members of the rally were not part of the white supremacist group. That part was intentionally left out in order to give the false impression that Trump was praising white supremacists when he was not doing so.
But we can always depend on the liberal, Democrat media to lie and obscure facts. Buzzfeed, Covington, Smollett, Kavanaugh, Russia collsion, they always get the story wrong and saw it in regard to Charlottesville as well. The Democrat media is just a cabal of liars.
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The "conservative group" was the Neo-Nazi's. You pick some "good" allies.
If you are going to speak on something be sure and know what you are talking about first. Even far left commentators on CNN and MSNBC say this is not true.
GoodTidings
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That is a lie. You don't know what you're talking about.
My quote was from USA today.
Neo-Nazi convicted of murder in Charlottesville car assault that killed Heather Heyer
Please show me your quotes from CNN and MSNBC that contradict it.
GoodTidings
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He isn't talking about the car assault. He is talking about the lie you promote claiming that Trump called white supremacists "good guys."
Also this>>> Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof. | RealClearPolitics
It’s obvious you cannot have a rational discussion with a dedicated “TDS-er”!
RighteousnessTemperance&
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"Seems to be incorrect"? Try "is a major falsehood." Funny how you howl about Trump, then pull a stunt like this, posting a major falsehood as fact even though you knew the best source, which outright contradicts your "original post."
Also, without evidence (because there is none), you called my citation problematic. Of those 128 bills not yet voted on in the Senate, some 37 are less than a month old--and besides, the Senate is not a rubber stamp for the House.
Your unfounded bias is causing you to be deeply deceived. You cannot see because you don't want to see.
Unite the Right rally - Wikipedia
The Unite the Right rally[4] was a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] rally that occurred in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[9][10] Protesters were members of the far-right and included self-identified members of the alt-right,[11] neo-Confederates,[12] neo-fascists,[13] white nationalists,[14] neo-Nazis,[15] Klansmen,[16] and various militias.[17] The marchers[citation needed] chanted racist and antisemitic slogans, carried semi-automatic rifles, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols (such as the swastika, Odal rune, Black Sun, and Iron Cross), the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags and other symbols of various past and present anti-Muslim and antisemitic groups.[18][8][9][19][20][21][22] Within the Charlottesville area, the rally is often known as A12[23] or 8/12.[24] The organizers' stated goals included unifying the American white nationalist movement[11] and to oppose removing a statue of Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's Lee Park.[21][25]
I made an error in my original statement and admitted it. That would be a good thing for you to do as well.
Funny how you howl about Trump, then pull a stunt like this, posting a major falsehood as fact even though you knew the best source, which outright contradicts your "original post."
Also, without evidence (because there is none), you called my citation problematic. Of those 128 bills not yet voted on in the Senate, some 37 are less than a month old--and besides, the Senate is not a rubber stamp for the House.
Your unfounded bias is causing you to be deeply deceived. You cannot see because you don't want to see.
Unite the Right rally - Wikipedia
President Donald Trump's remarks on Charlottesville received substantial negative attention. In his initial statement on the rally, Trump did not denounce the marchers explicitly, instead condemning "hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". While Trump later stated that he condemned neo-Nazis,[31] his first statement and his subsequent defenses of it, in which he also referred to "very fine people on both sides", were seen by critics as implying moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them, and were interpreted by many as a sign that he was sympathetic to white supremacy.[8] The rally and surrounding clashes triggered a backlash against white supremacist groups in the U.S.A. A number of groups that participated in the rally had events canceled by universities and their financial and social media accounts closed by major companies.[32] Some Twitter users led a campaign to identify and publicly shame marchers at the rally from photographs; at least one rally attendee was dismissed from his job as a result of the campaign.[33]
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Admit what? Your post was a complete lie, a smear tactic, a total mischaracterization of the situation. Your statistics were bogus, bore no comparison to reality, and you knew the reliable source that would have corrected them before you posted. Your attempt to correct it after you were outed did not acknowledge your real failure. Your accusing me of error without proof only compounds it. Your extreme prejudice is preventing you from making fair evaluation. Do you admit any of that?
GoodTidings
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And that is false.
The rally was not initially a white supremacist rally. The original rally-goers were not white supremacists at all, but the liberal media refused to cover that point to any large degree, though some did. It was pretty much overlooked and ignored by the majority of outlets that the rally was not licensed to be a white supremacist rally and the organizers has no connections to white supremacy.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source and is a user-edited site that anyone can put information into or take out. To resort to that in the face of actual media sources only shows that your view, besides lacking truthfulness and honesty, entirely baseless in regard to facts.
You are trying, in futility, to hang on to Leftist lie in the face of truth. Trump was not calling white supremacist s good people, AND his entire comments on the matter that prove he was not praising white supremacist were posted for you to see and you ignored them.
For you to ignore that data and instead post the useless drivel you got from a unreliable source like Wikipedia demonstrates that you are not interested in the truth and facts. It would take courage and integrity to deal with the facts as they really are.
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This is the best source for this kind of information. My original post seems to be incorrect
That is [ not true ]. There were other people in the same crowd on both sides that were neither nazi's nor antifa. Trump said that there were good people on both sides he did not pick one side or the other and he was referencing those who were not in those two groups.
Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof. | RealClearPolitics
CNN’s Tapper: Trump Didn’t Say ‘White Supremacists Are Very Fine People’
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Unite the Right rally - Wikipedia
Organizer Jason Kessler applied for a permit from the City of Charlottesville to hold the event at Lee Park.
Jason Kessler - Wikipedia
On April 2017, Kessler was contracted to write two pieces for the Daily Caller.[21] He wrote another piece in May about the first protests in Charlottesville over the statue of Lee.[21] Kessler has also written several posts for the anti-immigrant white nationalist site VDare.[21] One of Kessler's posts claimed that the government was waging genocide against white people by policies that cause low Caucasian birth rates.[21]
After ProPublica contacted the Daily Caller pointing out Kessler's ties to white supremacist groups, the outlet severed its ties with Kessler, and its Executive Editor Paul Conner defended his editorial judgment.[22][23]
Kessler was sworn in as a member of the far right organization the Proud Boys.[24] Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes said that he kicked Kessler out of the group once his views on race became known.[25]
Proud Boys - Wikipedia
The Proud Boys is a far-right neo-fascist[8] men's organization that promotes political violence.[2][9][10][11] It is based in the United States and has a presence in Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom.[12][13] The group was started in 2016 by Vice Media co-founder and former commentator Gavin McInnes, taking its name from the song "Proud of Your Boy" from the Disney film Aladdin.[14][15] Proud Boys emerged as part of the alt-right, but in early 2017, McInnes began distancing himself from the alt-right, saying the alt-right's focus is race while his focus is what he defines as "Western values". This re-branding effort intensified after the Unite the Right Rally.[16][17]
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GoodTidings
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There were attendees at the rally who were not white supremacists, but who shared a common opposition to the removal of a Confederate statue. It was not a white supremacist rally. The original purpose of the rally was lost after Antifa showed up and decided to pick a fight and things went downhill from there.
Trump acknowledged the good people that were on both sides and he condemned the bigotry on both sides as well (Antifa is as bigoted as any Neo-Nazi). The irony is that Antifa has a lot in common with Hitler's brown shirts.
Trump's condemnation of bigotry that was on display is ignored by people like you, so your arguments have no intellectual credibility.