Communist vs Socialism - what is the difference

[just-want-peace]

The end result is the same.

Poverty for 99% of Americans.

Nothing touches the 1%, which will include the ruling "elite".

And if the liberals have their way, that is what we will be before the ZERO leaves.
Biggest surprise will be when all the lemmings will suddenly find that they are not necessary useful idiots anymore, and MOST CERTAINLY are not a part of that 1%.
Talk about weeping & wailing --- . :sleep:

 

[Crabtownboy]

There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism—by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.”
The Ayn Rand Lexicon



“Instead of prosperity, socialism has brought economic paralysis and/or collapse to every country that tried it. The degree of socialization has been the degree of disaster.”
The Ayn Rand Lexicon

Ayn may have been correct in her lifetime, but it is not a true statement now. Ayn was most definitely not a Christian.

The ten most socialist countries:

Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium

http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

 

[kyredneck]

Ayn may have been correct in her lifetime, but it is not a true statement now.

No, the principle is just as true today, the many simply cannot be supported on the backs of a few.

Ayn was most definitely not a Christian.

Granted. She was an atheistic Jew steeped in the philosophy of Objectivism as others like Alan Greenspan and Leonard Peikoff, but, she of all people is an authority on the fallacy of communism because she lived it, she had a bird's eye view of it from it's very inception at the Bolshevik Revolution.

The ten most socialist countries:

Yeah, well, I want to say this is America and I don't want to be like any of those listed, but being's we're nearly 19 trillion dollars in debt already.......

....we probably will end up even worse than them if things keep going the way they are. I really want to be optimistic but.... too many people like you CTB, too many people like you. I fear we're doomed for it.

 

[poncho]

Communism and Socialism are both collectivist systems giving a group priority over each individual in it.

The fundamental political conflict in America today is, as it has been for a century, individualism vs. collectivism. Does the individual’s life belong to him—or does it belong to the group, the community, society, or the state? With government expanding ever more rapidly—seizing and spending more and more of our money on “entitlement” programs and corporate bailouts, and intruding on our businesses and lives in increasingly onerous ways—the need for clarity on this issue has never been greater. Let us begin by defining the terms at hand.

https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2012-spring/individualism-collectivism/

 

[Jkdbuck76]

Private property..... commies HATE private property.

 

[Revmitchell]

Private property..... commies HATE private property.

And no governmental charities

 

[OldRegular]

Communism and Socialism are both collectivist systems giving a group priority over each individual in it.

The fundamental political conflict in America today is, as it has been for a century, individualism vs. collectivism. Does the individual’s life belong to him—or does it belong to the group, the community, society, or the state? With government expanding ever more rapidly—seizing and spending more and more of our money on “entitlement” programs and corporate bailouts, and intruding on our businesses and lives in increasingly onerous ways—the need for clarity on this issue has never been greater. Let us begin by defining the terms at hand.

https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2012-spring/individualism-collectivism/

poncho, at last a post worthy of commendation. That is a big :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[blackbird]

“There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism—by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.”
The Ayn Rand Lexicon

Same as saying socialism and communism are "kissing cousins!!"

Both come from the same stock!!

:type::saint::type:

 

[Alcott]

The founder of the ACLU overtly advocated communism; not socialism, by anything I've seen.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Communism and Socialism are both collectivist systems giving a group priority over each individual in it.

The fundamental political conflict in America today is, as it has been for a century, individualism vs. collectivism. Does the individual’s life belong to him—or does it belong to the group, the community, society, or the state? With government expanding ever more rapidly—seizing and spending more and more of our money on “entitlement” programs and corporate bailouts, and intruding on our businesses and lives in increasingly onerous ways—the need for clarity on this issue has never been greater. Let us begin by defining the terms at hand.

https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2012-spring/individualism-collectivism/

This might be off topic here, but in my opinion, a utopian society would be where the government sees the individual as belonging to himself, and the individual sees his life as belonging to the community.

In this setting, no one loses freedom, and all needs are met.

Unfortunately, this requires selfless people, both as citizens and civil servants.

 

[poncho]

poncho, at last a post worthy of commendation. That is a big :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

I've always held that the root cause of most of our problems in this country is collectivism.

But nobody want's to look at the root causes. They'd rather keep blaming the other side and complaining about the crooked politicians they keep electing to office.

Ya can't fix the problem until you understand what the problem is.

This might be off topic here, but in my opinion, a utopian society would be where the government sees the individual as belonging to himself, and the individual sees his life as belonging to the community.

In this setting, no one loses freedom, and all needs are met.

Unfortunately, this requires selfless people, both as citizens and civil servants.

That's probably why Ben Franklin had his doubts about our ability to maintain a functioning republic.