Confessional vs Non-Confessional Seminaries

[kathleenmariekg]

At 10:40 this speaker say "#6 Go to a confessional seminary!"

He says students that attend a confessional seminary get a better education and have a "fire in their eyes".

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Nice quick video about the Baptist confessions

 

[Yeshua1]

Nice quick video about the Baptist confessions

Were you familiar with any of the various Confessions?

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Were you familiar with any of the various Confessions?

The Westminster. I want to study the Baptist one. I have it in the Olive Tree app.

I have learned a lot, and learned it fast. Every day, one resource leads me to another, and then to another. I was like this with the law schools stuff, and then the cybersecurity stuff, and other things before that. I can learn a lot really fast, and then hit formal schooling with a context that allows me to participate in the formal schooling at an unexpected level for a beginner.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

When I first said I wanted a "baptist" education, I did not know the vocabulary to explain that I wanted a "confessional Baptist" education, and I probably still don't know the full correct vocabulary. But I am narrowing in on all this. As I read things, I know now that some words are far more loaded than I previously knew. "Devotional" and "emotional" are loaded and stereotyped.

 

[JonC]

I confess I like the non-conventional ones.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

I think I am drawn towards confessional that is entirely transparent about the confession to which they adhere. What I do not like is "non-denominational" with a hidden agenda.

 

[Yeshua1]

The Westminster. I want to study the Baptist one. I have it in the Olive Tree app.

I have learned a lot, and learned it fast. Every day, one resource leads me to another, and then to another. I was like this with the law schools stuff, and then the cybersecurity stuff, and other things before that. I can learn a lot really fast, and then hit formal schooling with a context that allows me to participate in the formal schooling at an unexpected level for a beginner.

I have the 1689 Confession on app also, and did download the 1644 Bapist one also

 

[Yeshua1]

I think I am drawn towards confessional that is entirely transparent about the confession to which they adhere. What I do not like is "non-denominational" with a hidden agenda.

You might want to check out 1689 Federalist web site, as they are coming from a reformed and Baptist viewpoint!

 

[kathleenmariekg]

You might want to check out 1689 Federalist web site, as they are coming from a reformed and Baptist viewpoint!

Does Reformed Baptist reject dispensationalism? Is that the key difference?

 

[Yeshua1]

Does Reformed Baptist reject dispensationalism? Is that the key difference?

great Question!
My current understanding would be that there are:
Calvinist Baptists who accepted reformed salvation, but tend to keep Disopy eschatology views

reformed baptists, who are Calvinists and accept Confessions and Covenant Theology, mainly Amil, some pre/post mils
group 1 would be Dr MacArthur types, group 2 like Spurgeon

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Okay, I see

 

[Yeshua1]

Okay, I see

What do you think?

 

[kathleenmariekg]

This is where I still have things to learn, and am open.

I do not reject dispensationalism, but how far I go with it is something that I am still working out.

I do not believe in a works based salvation. My first research paper for WVBS is on this topic. I feel like it is too early to be expected to write a thesis on this topic and am not happy about being forced to write about it now. I am doing my best to find a way to create some wiggle room around what I do believe: chiefly that the saved Christian will want to do good, so too much attention to this point is vain.

 

[Yeshua1]

This is where I still have things to learn, and am open.

I do not reject dispensationalism, but how far I go with it is something that I am still working out.

I do not believe in a works based salvation. My first research paper for WVBS is on this topic. I feel like it is too early to be expected to write a thesis on this topic and am not happy about being forced to write about it now. I am doing my best to find a way to create some wiggle room around what I do believe: chiefly that the saved Christian will want to do good, so too much attention to this point is vain.

That highlights another real difference btween dispy and Covenant , as Dispy usually refer to "free grace", saved by faith alone, no works required, while others state as Lordship salvation, as in good works required to show was really saved!

 

[Martin Marprelate]

At 10:40 this speaker say "#6 Go to a confessional seminary!"

You need to decide the basics of what you believe. Then go to a seminary which teaches it.

When I first said I wanted a "baptist" education, I did not know the vocabulary to explain that I wanted a "confessional Baptist" education, and I probably still don't know the full correct vocabulary.

If you have decided that you want a 'confessional' Baptist education, you have, IMO, decided well. Read the 1689 Confession; it is not Dispensational. There is only one people of God (Ephesians 2:11ff.).
As has been suggested, head for the 1689 Federalism website and, on the assumption that you are American, be advised from there.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

That highlights another real difference btween dispy and Covenant , as Dispy usually refer to "free grace", saved by faith alone, no works required, while others state as Lordship salvation, as in good works required to show was really saved!

You need to decide the basics of what you believe. Then go to a seminary which teaches it.

If you have decided that you want a 'confessional' Baptist education, you have, IMO, decided well. Read the 1689 Confession; it is not Dispensational. There is only one people of God (Ephesians 2:11ff.).
As has been suggested, head for the 1689 Federalism website and, on the assumption that you are American, be advised from there.

Does everyone agree that the 1689 leaves no room for dispensation? I am not sure where I am on the dispensation spectrum, but I am not anti-dispensationalism. Also I am not fully reformed/Westminster, and I am not not NOT works-required. I will not attend a school that is anti-dispensationalism and works-required. I'll play around with a single online course by a school that is those two things, and just keep my beliefs to myself for the opportunity to take the specific course, but I won't place myself under the leadership of a school that systematically and specifically teaches either of those things.

American is one of my citizenships. Why would that make a difference?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Does everyone agree that the 1689 leaves no room for dispensation? I am not sure where I am on the dispensation spectrum, but I am not anti-dispensationalism. Also I am not fully reformed/Westminster, and I am not not NOT works-required. I will not attend a school that is anti-dispensationalism and works-required. I'll play around with a single online course by a school that is those two things, and just keep my beliefs to myself for the opportunity to take the specific course, but I won't place myself under the leadership of a school that systematically and specifically teaches either of those things.

American is one of my citizenships. Why would that make a difference?

To take the last question first: I am British. I could advise you on British seminaries, but not on American. Therefore you might look to see what seminaries or schools are recommended on the 1689 Federalism site.
For the rest, you need perhaps to define your terms. Do you believe that it is possible that one can believe that Dispensationalism is incorrect without being 'anti-Dispensational'? How do you define 'works-required'? The Lord Jesus says, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Is that requiring works?

 

[kathleenmariekg]

To take the last question first: I am British. I could advise you on British seminaries, but not on American. Therefore you might look to see what seminaries or schools are recommended on the 1689 Federalism site.
For the rest, you need perhaps to define your terms. Do you believe that it is possible that one can believe that Dispensationalism is incorrect without being 'anti-Dispensational'? How do you define 'works-required'? The Lord Jesus says, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Is that requiring works?

Ah, okay, you meant the comment about Americans reading the 1689 Federalism site, for when Americans are looking for potential leads to schools. I thought you meant something wider. Thanks!

 

[Yeshua1]

Does everyone agree that the 1689 leaves no room for dispensation? I am not sure where I am on the dispensation spectrum, but I am not anti-dispensationalism. Also I am not fully reformed/Westminster, and I am not not NOT works-required. I will not attend a school that is anti-dispensationalism and works-required. I'll play around with a single online course by a school that is those two things, and just keep my beliefs to myself for the opportunity to take the specific course, but I won't place myself under the leadership of a school that systematically and specifically teaches either of those things.

American is one of my citizenships. Why would that make a difference?

Great question! as one can be a Calvinist baptist and hold to Dispy eschatology, but reformed Baptist would hold to either A mil or historical premil!