Contempt

[sag38]

So, am I supposed to feel guilty because I'm blessed with certain things? No,I will not. This privilege thing is getting crazy. I don't feel guilty, not in the least. I feel blessed. And, all I feel toward those who want shame me for being born a certain color, with a certain economic status, with a Mom who read to me as a child, and a push from both parents to get an education is contempt. How dare you!

 

[Zaac]

So, am I supposed to feel guilty because I'm blessed with certain things? No,I will not. This privilege thing is getting crazy. I don't feel guilty, not in the least. I feel blessed. And, all I feel toward those who want shame me for being born a certain color, with a certain economic status, with a Mom who read to me as a child, and a push from both parents to get an education is contempt. How dare you!

Nobody wants you to feel guilty. But you should at least have the courage to admit that being born white in this country has given you a leg up in a lot of areas over Blacks and Latinos.

If God gave you a do- over, would you come back as Black or White?

 

[Don]

Nobody wants you to feel guilty. But you should at least have the courage to admit that being born white in this country has given you a leg up in a lot of areas over Blacks and Latinos.

If God gave you a do- over, would you come back as Black or White?

God made some people white. Why would they choose to second-guess Him?

 

[Zaac]

God made some people white. Why would they choose to second-guess Him?

And God would be giving you the choice to choose.

Black or White?

 

[poncho]

Nobody wants you to feel guilty. But you should at least have the courage to admit that being born white in this country has given you a leg up in a lot of areas over Blacks and Latinos.

If God gave you a do- over, would you come back as Black or White?

Baloney.

MTV will air a show later this month entitled White People which shows young white Americans crying on camera over their “white privilege” and publicly shaming them for “what they’ve done in America”.

No, this is not a joke. The documentary is hosted by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jose Antonio Vargas, an illegal immigrant and amnesty activist who has worked for the Washington Post and the Huffington Post.

The trailer for the show, which has been widely criticized by YouTube respondents, features white people expressing angst about how they are desperate not to appear “racist” or “offend people.”

According to Kimberly Ricci, the documentary forces the participants “to internalize what they’ve done in America” – in other words, this a huge exercise in white guilt tripping for public consumption.

http://www.infowars.com/new-mtv-show-publicly-shames-white-people-for-what-theyve-done-in-america/

Is it politically incorrect to point out Jose Antonio Vargas' illegal immigrant privilege?

 

[Don]

And God would be giving you the choice to choose.

Black or White?

Silliness. Might as well ask what would happen if worms could use machine guns.

Me, I'll revel in the creation God has given us, and glorify Him for it all. Y'all seem to want a sinful people to be other than they are, and blaming their skin color for it.

 

[sag38]

So, I have an advantage. Yes, I do. Thank you God and thank you mom and dad. If those pushing this privilege bull manure want to remain a victim then so be it. But, don't drag the rest of us down to your pathetic level.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So, I have an advantage. Yes, I do. Thank you God and thank you mom and dad. If those pushing this privilege bull manure want to remain a victim then so be it. But, don't drag the rest of us down to your pathetic level.

The important point is not that many of us are privileged. The important point is what do we do with that privilege to help others who are less privileged.

This is why the last half of Luke 12:48 is, to me, frightening.

Last half of Luke 12:48 - From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

 

[Revmitchell]

I am not sure where all this so called white privilege is at. Can some of you other white folks pass some of it my way. Oh, you will also have to show me what it looks like. I have never seen it on me or anyone else.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I am not sure where all this so called white privilege is at. Can some of you other white folks pass some of it my way. Oh, you will also have to show me what it looks like. I have never seen it on me or anyone else.

http://www.cpt.org/files/Undoing%20Racism%20-%20Understanding%20White%20Privilege%20-%20Kendall.pdf

 

[Thousand Hills]

As Christians, a study of God's Providence might be in order. When, if ever, is this subject ever preached on? Challies is going through The Mystery of Providence by John Flavel. I've only read a few chapters and it has been interesting.

Here is a link, the first chapters are at the bottom of the page.

http://www.challies.com/writings/reading-classics-together

Unless we have a biblical world view there will be contempt for our percieved "privelages" whatever they may be. However, as Christians the ground is level at the foot of the cross and we know that God has placed us in certain areas, at certain times, with a certain family, with a certain skin color, as part of his overall plan. Anything other than that is just more noise to distract us.

 

[Zaac]

As Christians, a study of God's Providence might be in order. When, if ever, is this subject ever preached on? Challies is going through The Mystery of Providence by John Flavel. I've only read a few chapters and it has been interesting.

Here is a link, the first chapters are at the bottom of the page.

http://www.challies.com/writings/reading-classics-together

Unless we have a biblical world view there will be contempt for our percieved "privelages" whatever they may be. However, as Christians the ground is level at the foot of the cross and we know that God has placed us in certain areas, at certain times, with a certain family, with a certain skin color, as part of his overall plan. Anything other than that is just more noise to distract us

For Christians the ground is level at the foot of the Cross. Problem is, a lot of these so-called Christians aren't spending any time down there at the foot of the Cross.

You don't go along with the systemic enslavement and marginalizing of the lives of a demographic as was done during slavery, Jim Crow and today and still be at the foot of the Cross.

Because if Christians being at the foot of the Cross did all that, then the Cross isn't what the Bible says it is.

I believe it is. So either It is, or these folks who claim to be at the foot , ain't really there.

 

[Rolfe]

And God would be giving you the choice to choose.

Black or White?

Do you wish that you were white? As often as you gripe about white privilege, one wonders.

 

[JonC]

And God would be giving you the choice to choose.

Black or White?

If you are talking about being born with a financial advantage (e.g., being born of a wealthy family in the US) then I think that being white would be the logical choice. Odds are you would have no advantage at all just because you are white, but you would at least have greater chances of being born into money (this is, BTW, a stereotype many black people have expressed towards the white race - they ignore that the "white majority" of wealthy people actually make up a minority of white people). If you are talking about the availability of opportunities or resources based merely on the color of your skin, then black would be the logical choice.

I have seen people advanced because they were black. I have been tasked at giving positions to both Black and Hispanic people over White people who were better qualified (based on aptitude testing) simply because of the color of their skin (we needed to have a greater minority presence in specific areas). I have seen Black individuals receive college scholarships where their White counterparts (who were just as needy) received none. I have seen people accepted to college based on being a minority while others with higher GPA’s were not able to attend because they were White. If it is racism to deny a Black man something because of the color of his skin, then it is racism to do the same to any person of any color. If it is racism to provide an opportunity to a White man because of the color of his skin, then it is racism to do the same to any person of any color.

 

[Zaac]

Do you wish that you were white? As often as you gripe about white privilege, one wonders.

You're so simple.

 

[Zaac]

If you are talking about being born with a financial advantage (e.g., being born of a wealthy family in the US) then I think that being white would be the logical choice. Odds are you would have no advantage at all just because you are white, but you would at least have greater chances of being born into money (this is, BTW, a stereotype many black people have expressed towards the white race - they ignore that the "white majority" of wealthy people actually make up a minority of white people).

Yet statistics show white people to gain most of their wealth from inheritance. And that the wealth gap between white and black continues to widen.

The typical black household now has just 6% of the wealth of the typical white household; the typical Latino household has just 8%, according to a recent study called The Racial Wealth Gap: Why Policy Matters, by Demos, a public policy organization promoting democracy and equality, and the Institute on Assets and Social Policy.

In absolute terms, the median white household had $111,146 in wealth holdings in 2011, compared to $7,113 for the median black household and $8,348 for the median Latino household. (All figures come from the U.S. Census Bureau Survey of Income and Program Participation.)

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“Homeownesrhip is the central vehicle Americans use to store wealth, so homeownership and access to homeownership are at the heart of that widening wealth gap,” says Ruetschlin.

But disparities in homeownership fall along racial and ethnic lines. Seventy-three percent of whites own a home, compared to 47% of Latinos and 45% of blacks.

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A college education is all but required to flourish in the labor market, establish financial stability and build wealth. But the gap in college attainment by whites versus blacks and Latinos has widened over the last decade. In 2011, 34% of whites completed a four-year college degree, whereas just 20% of blacks and 13% of Hispanics did.

One obstacle is the surge in college costs over recent years, forcing households to take on significant debt to send student to college.

But obtaining a bachelor’s isn’t enough for a black or Hispanic person to escape the racial wealth gap. The return on investment in college is much higher for whites than for blacks and Hispanics: A white family at the median sees a return of $55,869 from completing a four-year degree. A black family sees $4,846 and an Hispanic family $4,191.

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Labor markets can provide economic security through earned income, employer-provided health coverage, paid leave and workplace retirement plans. But inequality in the labor market is responsible for 20% of the growth in the racial wealth gap in the last 25 years, and unemployment another 9%.

Disparate outcomes in the labor market can come from employment discrimination, geographic barriers to jobs and differing levels of social capital.

The typical white family earns $50,400, while the typical black family earns $32,038, and the typical Latino family, $36,840.

“In the labor market, the wealth return to a dollar of income is first determined by how much of that income you have the opportunity to save,” says Ruetschlin. “If you are facing a wealth gap of 80 cents for every dollar a white family makes, that makes you 20% less able to put that dollar into savings, because you may need all of those dollars to fill your consumption needs.”

Additionally, black and Latino families earn a lower return on their incomes, meaning they are less able to turn each additional dollar of income into wealth. A white family will typically see a return of $19.51 for each dollar earned, while a black family will see only $4,80 in return and Latino families $3.63.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurash...ehold-has-16-times-the-wealth-of-a-black-one/

If you are talking about the availability of opportunities or resources based merely on the color of your skin, then black would be the logical choice.

That's funny.

I have seen people advanced because they were black.

Have you noticed it when they have been white? That usually gets glossed over because it happens so routinely.

I have been tasked at giving positions to both Black and Hispanic people over White people who were better qualified (based on aptitude testing) simply because of the color of their skin (we needed to have a greater minority presence in specific areas)

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Then you were tasked to break the law as what you just described does not fit the definition of LEGAL Affirmative Action.

I have seen Black individuals receive college scholarships where their White counterparts (who were just as needy) received none.

YEp. Went on since the early 1600s like that but only for white students. Still goes on for far mor white students than Black or Hispanic combined.

I have seen people accepted to college based on being a minority while others with higher GPA’s were not able to attend because they were White.

Again, this was done for white students for darn near 400 years. When you've had a leg up your entire life and the folks who look like you are the ones making the textbooks and writing the tests and teaching the classes and on and on and on, then you probably will have a higher GPA and better test scores.

If it is racism to deny a Black man something because of the color of his skin, then it is racism to do the same to any person of any color. If it is racism to provide an opportunity to a White man because of the color of his skin, then it is racism to do the same to any person of any color.

Amazing how many folks didn't mind this when it applies to nearly 400 years of this discrimination towards Blacks. Yet white people STILL deny they have had and still have privilege.

If for almost 400 years, Whites and their ancestors were afforded these opportunities at the best colleges in the country, why such rancor over giving Blacks that same opportunity for the last 50 or so years?

The pattern for white people seems to be that nothing is a problem until it's done against other white people.

 

[Rolfe]

You're so simple.

Is that a yes?

 

[sag38]

So, are all those white folks making more money supposed to just hand over the difference because they are supposedly privileged Sounds like some folks, instead of taking advantage of opportunities to reverse the trend, instead want to play the victim and blame someone else for their situation.

 

[JonC]

The pattern for white people seems to be that nothing is a problem until it's done against other white people.

I am white, as is most of my family. That is not my pattern, the pattern of my family or the pattern of most of white people I know (it is the pattern of some I know). Yet I am confident you do not believe yourself a racist nor do you see your comments as stereotype. Ironic.

 

[Zaac]

Is that a yes?

YES you're simple.