Context of Acts 13:48

[Silverhair]

If I understand your post correctly, show me where I have EVER said that God is the author of sin. You must be quoting Van's post. By the way, in another post you called me a calvinist. I have never cared for Calvin and do not call myself one because he hated the Baptists. Just because I believe some of the doctrine of grace, does not make me a calvinist.

I have no problem with what you say God hath decreed. The problem with it is your interpretation. You post God has decreed all things, whatsover comes to pass. How can that possibly be if he is waiting on you to decree you accept Christ. You must think you are very powerful

You did see that it is the LCBF that says God decreed all things, that was a quote from them not something that I agree with.

You say you are not a calvinist and yet you agree with some of the DoG. Curious which of the doctrines do you agree with?

 

[Silverhair]

How can you know what I say if you don't read my posts.

Show me where I have EVER called myself a calvinist or you are a false witness

You continue to support that theology so what would you expect one to call you? It seems that the name calvinist has become a dirty word on here and even some of those that espouse that theology do not want to be called one.

 

[unprofitable]

@unprofitable as you know the bible does not say God is the author of sin that is left to your errant theology which would require Him to be if your theology were in fact true.
LBCF Cap 3 Sec 1
God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein;

Well it seems under your calvinism "all things" really means "only some things". But such is the nature of calvinism words only mean what you want them to mean. You have a very fluid view of language. It seems calvinists have fallen through the looking glass into wonderland.

And for you to accept what Calvin, Mounce or Robertson said would destroy your theological system. It is funny though that you call yourself a calvinist and yet you deny what calvinists say.

See post 115

 

[unprofitable]

You continue to support that theology so what would you expect one to call you? It seems that the name calvinist has become a dirty word on here and even some of those that espouse that theology do not want to be called one.

No, you said I called myself one. You are a false witness.

 

[unprofitable]

Don't know what LCBF stands for nor DoG. Really doesn't matter.

 

[Van]

If you will look at a few more interpretations other than the ASV you would see that the vast majority agree with the KJV.
Either way, the end interpretation holds true to what I said.

Your being an Arminian leads you to the error that a carnal people can understand a spiritual book. They are lead to understanding by the faith and life Christ given unto them.

Concerning your saying, "that would seem to make God the author of sin", I think if you read Romans 9 again it may help.

For those who are not in Christ, they truly cannot do otherwise, because they are of the seedline of Abraham and not his children or true spiritual sons. They are born of their father the devil and his lusts/work they will do. They are a carnal seedline and not a spiritual seedline. The fault lies with their father, the author of sin, and not God.

Nonsense.

Acts 13:48, Yet the Gentiles hearing this rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were in agreement with the arrangement into everlasting life believed.

Thus not a scintilla of support for unilateral individual election prior to belief.

I am a one point Calvinist (OSAS) and a two point Arminian (Conditional Election and Christ Died for all humanity). As to the other two points, I believe God offers salvation, and does not unilaterally compel salvation, and the lost have Limited Spiritual Ability (able to respond affirmatively to "spiritual milk."

In the statement "that" would... an actual response would address "that."

Matthew 23:13 teaches the lost can effectively seek God, they were in the process of entering the kingdom, thus once again your claims are unbiblical.
2 Timothy 3:14-15

You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them,
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.​

Clearly scripture teaches the lost can utilize scripture to find the narrow path that leads to life.

 

[Van]

Since you apparently do not agree with predestination, you probably will not understand or agree with my next statement. You cannot see that the gentiles who came to Christ were already predestined, as those Jews, to be placed in the body of Christ, where there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female, for ye are all are one in Christ. This is that nation where they would become of the seedline of Christ. This seedline of Jews and subsequent gentiles are the called out people of God which have been since the beginning of time, always a people, always the sons of God.

Do you have a problem of staying on topic? Why change the subject to your view of Predestination?
If those who came to Christ had once been not a people chosen for God's own possession, then at that time they were not predestined to salvation. Full Stop.
And then you repeat your false claim that those saved were chosen before they were created, when scripture says they were not a chosen people before they were a chosen people.
You can ignore 1 Peter 2:9-10 till the cows come home, it is still biblical truth, which teaches your claims are unbiblical.

 

[Silverhair]

No, you said I called myself one. You are a false witness.

You have heard the old saying, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then you can be sure it is a duck. You post and reference like a calvinist so that is what I call you. You say you hold to some of the doctrines of grace well since they all are required to support each other then logically you must support all of them so once again you come across as a calvinist so your denial of being a calvinist rings hollow.

If that offends you, sorry, but that is how I see you from your posts.

 

[Silverhair]

Don't know what LCBF stands for nor DoG. Really doesn't matter.

LBCF London Baptist Confession of Faith DoG calvinist Doctrines of Grace

 

[unprofitable]

Do you have a problem of staying on topic? Why change the subject to your view of Predestination?
If those who came to Christ had once been not a people chosen for God's own possession, then at that time they were not predestined to salvation. Full Stop.
And then you repeat your false claim that those saved were chosen before they were created, when scripture says they were not a chosen people before they were a chosen people.
You can ignore 1 Peter 2:9-10 till the cows come home, it is still biblical truth, which teaches your claims are unbiblical.

1 Peter 2:9-10 is talking a church people that have become a nation being predestinated enter in in their own time. No, they were not a people of God before they were put in Christ but now they are a kingdom priests, etc

They were chosen to be put into Christ where they would become a people/nation. They were prophesied by Moses as we see also in Romans 10:19...First Moses saith I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation will I a anger you. This is the prophesy of a church people composed of many gentiles who Moses had spoken of, predestined to be that people, otherwise he could have not spoken of it. Predestination is involved in all of this and is on topic even if you ignore it till the cows come home. How could they not be a chosen people when they have been spoke of by Moses. Just as those gentiules predestined to be put into the body of Christ from before the foundation of the world but not brought to bear because the church first had yet to be formed. They had been prophesied of and therefore had to be predestinated.

 

[unprofitable]

You have heard the old saying, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then you can be sure it is a duck. You post and reference like a calvinist so that is what I call you. You say you hold to some of the doctrines of grace well since they all are required to support each other then logically you must support all of them so once again you come across as a calvinist so your denial of being a calvinist rings hollow.

If that offends you, sorry, but that is how I see you from your posts.

Still can't find it can you brother. You are still a false witness. I could care less about your
classification but I would at least think you might admit you are wrong.

 

[unprofitable]

Thank you. Knew those things but not in the form of the abbreviations.

 

[Van]

Snip

They were chosen to be put into Christ where they would become a people/nation. Snip

The old chosen to be chosen dodge. Nope, once not a people means they had not been chosen. Full Stop

Anyone can rewrite scripture with "chosen to be chosen, thus chosen and not yet chosen" but I take scripture to mean what it actually says. They had not been chosen!

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I am a one point Calvinist (OSAS)

FYI, OSAS is not a point of Calvinism. The final point of Calvinism.is 'perseverance of the saints' which is quite different.

 

[Van]

FYI, OSAS is not a point of Calvinism. The final point of Calvinism.is 'perseverance of the saints' which is quite different.

Yes I know, but as you have just demonstrated, the difference cannot be explained rationally. Once a saint, they cannot be lost. Now your Calvinist view throws more into the mix but it is all mistaken dogma.

 

[unprofitable]

Nonsense.

Acts 13:48, Yet the Gentiles hearing this rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were in agreement with the arrangement into everlasting life believed.

Thus not a scintilla of support for unilateral individual election prior to belief.

I am a one point Calvinist (OSAS) and a two point Arminian (Conditional Election and Christ Died for all humanity). As to the other two points, I believe God offers salvation, and does not unilaterally compel salvation, and the lost have Limited Spiritual Ability (able to respond affirmatively to "spiritual milk."

In the statement "that" would... an actual response would address "that."

Matthew 23:13 teaches the lost can effectively seek God, they were in the process of entering the kingdom, thus once again your claims are unbiblical.
2 Timothy 3:14-15

You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them,
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.​

Clearly scripture teaches the lost can utilize scripture to find the narrow path that leads to life.

LBCF London Baptist Confession of Faith DoG calvinist Doctrines of Grace

Might want to expand on "in the statement "that". I am not, as you say, a mind reader

While Timothy was taught these things from a child, as this was the command of God to his people. (Deu 6:7) That does not show he was seeking the Lord. He eventually would but it doesn't say when he did. I was raised in a family where both I, my brother and sister heard the word and God. They heard the same thing I did but have not come to the truth and to know God so you example in Timothy is as you like to say unbiblical. Paul knows Timothy has, but it does not show when. It only means he was taught them as a child as was Jewish custom, it does not prove "lost" people can seek the Lord of their own accord.

Matt 23:13 Hindered does not always mean totally prevented. Mattew 13 also must be included in that interpretation. Those that fell on the good ground may have been hindered but they were not stopped. I see predestination all over the place in it.
The world is full of people proclaiming they are Christians but know nothing of Christ and his covenant. Unfortunately, it is like many in the woke community who go after the latest fad. They are not seeking in spirit and truth,

 

[Van]

Might want to expand on "in the statement "that". I am not a mind reader

While Timothy was taught these things from a child, as this was the command of God to his people. (Deu 6:7) That does not show he was seeking the Lord. He eventually would but it doesn't say when he did. I was raised in a family where both I, my brother and sister heard the word and God. They heard the same thing I did but have not come to the truth and to know God so you example in Timothy is as you like to say unbiblical. Paul knows Timothy has, but it does not show when. It only means he was taught them as a child as was Jewish custom.

Matt 23:13 Hindered does not always mean totally prevented. Mattew 13 also must be included in that interpretation. Those that fell on the good ground may have been hindered but they were not stopped. I see predestination all over the place in it.
The world is full of people proclaiming they are Christians but know nothing of Christ and his covenant. Unfortunately, it is like many in the woke community who go after the latest fad. They are not seeking in spirit and truth,

2 Timothy 3:14-15
You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them,
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.​

Sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation is pretty clear, your claim that the lost cannot understand scripture is unbiblical. Full Stop.

Second, Matthew 23:13 shows that lost people can have sufficient spiritual ability to be entering the kingdom. Full stop.

Your views will continue to be unbiblical unless you provide a reasonable interpretation, that says scripture cannot lead to salvation, or the lost were not in fact in the process of entering the kingdom.

 

[DaveXR650]

Acts 13:48, Yet the Gentiles hearing this rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were in agreement with the arrangement into everlasting life believed.

Is that an actual translation? The wording sounds incredibly awkward. I mean how much can we pick this passage apart? Did all the gentiles not hear? But the ones that did hear glorified the Lord and rejoiced - but out of that group only some were in agreement with the arrangement and they believed. If "in agreement with the arrangement" means they understood and agreed doesn't that mean they believed? So those that believed, believed! Or is "in agreement with the arrangement" referring to a notational knowledge and assent to the facts with "believed" here meaning trust which just described the Calvinistic view of faith. Have you all become Calvinists. Where's Rev when we need him.

 

[AustinC]

Nonsense.

Indeed, your theology is often nonsense.

Acts 13:48, Yet the Gentiles hearing this rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were in agreement with the arrangement into everlasting life believed.

Thus not a scintilla of support for unilateral individual election prior to belief.

Your verse looks like it was translated by a humanist who makes man the cause and God the effected party. It's just an awful translation.

I am a one point Calvinist (OSAS)

So you live in constant contradiction. Got it.

and a two point Arminian (Conditional Election and Christ Died for all humanity).

As I said, constant contradiction.

As to the other two points, I believe God offers salvation, and does not unilaterally compel salvation, and the lost have Limited Spiritual Ability (able to respond affirmatively to "spiritual milk."

Again, constant contradiction mixed with humanism.

In the statement "that" would... an actual response would address "that."

Matthew 23:13 teaches the lost can effectively seek God, they were in the process of entering the kingdom, thus once again your claims are unbiblical.
2 Timothy 3:14-15

You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them,
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.​

Clearly scripture teaches the lost can utilize scripture to find the narrow path that leads to life.

No, it doesn't clearly teach the humanism you are teaching. You are teaching that humans can get to God without God first making them alive. You are promoting man over God and it's likely you cannot even fathom what you are doing.

 

[Van]

Mat 23:13 (KJV) But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Reads like they were not able to enter, rather than they were just hindered or slowed but still made it in.

Mat 23:13 (NET)
"But woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You keep locking people out of the kingdom of heaven! For you neither enter nor permit those trying to enter to go in.

Ditto