Cops Have Killed Every 8 Hours in 2015, Sending At Least Three People to Early Graves

[Zaac]

If more parents taught their children to respect the police; as well as society - there would be far fewer citizens being killed by police.

Rule # 1 - simply do what the police request.
Rule # 2 if there is a problem - tell your laywer

This is one of the sincerely stupid things people keep repeating. Neither disobeying a police request nor disrespecting a police officer should be a license for the police to kill you.

 

[targus]

This is one of the sincerely stupid things people keep repeating. Neither disobeying a police request nor disrespecting a police officer should be a license for the police to kill you.

And playing in traffic should not be a license for drivers to hit kids...

But that is what happens when kids play in traffic.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is one of the sincerely stupid things people keep repeating. Neither disobeying a police request nor disrespecting a police officer should be a license for the police to kill you.

No but it is a license to put your backside in jail.

 

[Zaac]

And playing in traffic should not be a license for drivers to hit kids...

But that is what happens when kids play in traffic.

Again sincerely stupid as there is no comparison by loving, Christ following rational people to be made about someone ACCIDENTALLY killing a child who may have been playing in traffic and police officers CHOOSING to kill/or try to kill someone just because they feel disrespected or disobeyed.

That makes them and the folks who feel they have the right to do so the equivalent of the gang bangers who murder because they feel like they have been disrespected.

 

[poncho]

There is a small group of people that have little respect for any laws, and it is clear they use the deaths of loved ones to protest, riot and make easy settlement cash in the deaths of those who would not be dead had they obeyed the laws of a civil people and society. This side of society is truly despicable. :tear:

Strawman alert!

 

[Zaac]

No but it is a license to put your backside in jail.

We agree on this. I don't have a problem with the police locking people up for breaking the law. But it is beyond senseless for people to continuously be losing their lives because the police felt disobeyed or disrespected.

The Nazis used to do that.

Folks during Jim Crow used to do that.

How many people have to be killed before we acknowledge that this is a national epidemic?

 

[targus]

Again sincerely stupid as there is no comparison by loving, Christ following rational people to be made about someone ACCIDENTALLY killing a child who may have been playing in traffic and police officers CHOOSING to kill/or try to kill someone just because they feel disrespected or disobeyed.

That makes them and the folks who feel they have the right to do so the equivalent of the gang bangers who murder because they feel like they have been disrespected.

Police officers do not "kill someone just because they feel disrespected or disobeyed".

But an attitude of disrespect or not following lawful instructions can cause an officer to feel that he may be dealing with someone who will do him harm.

The point being: Don't unnecessarily put yourself into a situation which may end in harm to yourself.

That can lead to judgements that end in deadly force against a suspect.

 

[Zaac]

Police officers do not "kill someone just because they feel disrespected or disobeyed".

Videos would disagree.

But an attitude of disrespect or not following lawful instructions can cause an officer to feel that he may be dealing with someone who will do him harm.

Nothing but an excuse to legitimize taking a life.

That can lead to judgements that end in deadly force against a suspect.

Then they don't need to be police.

 

[Revmitchell]

We agree on this. I don't have a problem with the police locking people up for breaking the law. But it is beyond senseless for people to continuously be losing their lives because the police felt disobeyed or disrespected.

Ok one cannot "feel" disobeyed, disobedience is a physical thing. Police put up with disrespect all the time without any use of force being used. The moment disobedience occurs the cops lives are now and always potentially at risk. It matters not what the disobedience is. The reason for this is from experience simple things like traffic stops have turned deadly because the law breaker of a simple thing like a traffic law being broken has beaten or killed police officers.

They do not do this because of the way they have been treated, they do it because they live a life of crime and it is in their hearts to do it. That is where sin comes from. We can never blame how we have been treated for the sin we commit.

 

[Revmitchell]

Videos would disagree.

You mean edited videos that are made to look that way.

 

[carpro]

Police officers do not "kill someone just because they feel disrespected or disobeyed".

A good example:

Michael Brown. He deserved what he got.

 

[poncho]

You mean edited videos that are made to look that way.

Are you going to give Planned Parenthood credit for that fallacy or claim it as your own?

 

[Zaac]

Ok one cannot "feel" disobeyed, disobedience is a physical thing.

Sure you can feel disobeyed. It may occur after the physical thing, but you CAN feel disobeyed. The person may not think they have disobeyed, but the police may certainly FEEL that they have.

Police put up with disrespect all the time without any use of force being used. The moment disobedience occurs the cops lives are now and always potentially at risk. It matters not what the disobedience is. The reason for this is from experience simple things like traffic stops have turned deadly because the law breaker of a simple thing like a traffic law being broken has beaten or killed police officers.

Again, no disagreement. But what we are seeing is instance after instance where the police are perhaps unnecessarily making things worse by their own attitudes and disrespect toward the people with whom they are dealing.

They do not do this because of the way they have been treated, they do it because they live a life of crime and it is in their hearts to do it. That is where sin comes from. We can never blame how we have been treated for the sin we commit.

But the police can use "how they have been treated" to justify killing and asking questions afterwards.?

 

[poncho]

A good example:

Michael Brown. He deserved what he got.

One example down and only 703 more to go . . .

 

[Zaac]

You mean edited videos that are made to look that way.

As Poncho noted, Planned Parenthood said the same thing. DO you give them the same benefit of the doubt?

Who is to say that the police aren't editing their video? At the rate that they are killing people, why do we readily take their word?

It's as though we have systemically given them a fail check way to kill people with no or next to no questions asked.

That's dangerous and pretty much a de facto "police state". Seems to be one step closer to allowing the government to have free reign to do as they like because we just accept without challenge that their behavior is just.

How many times do we have to hear "I feared for my life" before just, Christ-following people realize that there is a script? And where there is a script, there is a plot.

 

[Zaac]

A good example:

Michael Brown. He deserved what he got.

Classless comment.

 

[poncho]

Sure you can feel disobeyed. It may occur after the physical thing, but you CAN feel disobeyed. The person may not think they have disobeyed, but the police may certainly FEEL that they have.



Again, no disagreement. But what we are seeing is instance after instance where the police are perhaps unnecessarily making things worse by their own attitudes and disrespect toward the people with whom they are dealing.



But the police can use "how they have been treated" to justify killing and asking questions afterwards.?

And what about the people who have already been "subdued" who get beaten while they are shackled and or in custody?

Do cops have a special right or duty to punish people who disrespect them?

 

[Revmitchell]

As Poncho noted, Planned Parenthood said the same thing. DO you give them the same benefit of the doubt?

Who is to say that the police aren't editing their video? At the rate that they are killing people, why do we readily take their word?

I do not give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I would say that comparing the PP vids to cops vids are apples and refrigerators. The reason is when a video is taken of a cop apprehending a suspect then often it gets edited where the reason for the use of force is left out which justifies the cops behavior.

In the case of PP there is no context in which their talks about what they do with slaughtered unborn children can be justified.

It's as though we have systemically given them a fail check way to kill people with no or next to no questions asked.

This is just false hyperbole and has no place in reasonable discussions.

 

[Zaac]

And what about the people who have already been "subdued" who get beaten while they are shackled and or in custody?

Do cops have a special right or duty to punish people who disrespect them?

Precisely. And has this always gone on and we're just starting to believe it because we're seeing videos and thinking "this is crazy"?

It's the sort of things you expect to see out of corrupt police in a movie, but it's all too real.

But it seems as though a lot of people are okay with cops doing things to "punish" folks who have disrespected them after they have been subdued.

 

[Revmitchell]

And what about the people who have already been "subdued" who get beaten while they are shackled and or in custody?

Do cops have a special right or duty to punish people who disrespect them?

Yes because criminals never resist or try to make attempts to hurt cops after they are arrested. :laugh: