Corona Virus mess

[CalTech]

Maybe. But they are the same to me.

In terms of the left vs right, people should be concerned that Republicans are among those leftist liberals because it shows the GOP and DNC are just two sides of the same coin. Both seek to take away our freedoms, just not the same freedoms. And both are enemies of Christianity. Seeking to serve the lesser evil is no less evil.

But in terms of vaccinations, the divide is not left vs right (most on both political sides agree on the virus and vaccines). The divide are extremist sheeple on both sides.

Greetings,

I disagree with the "extremist sheeple" on both sides statement.
Why? Because there has never been a "Covid" virus, it has never been isolated, therefore it does NOT exist. You need to isolate a "virus" in order to develop a "vaccine"....that is the process.
So this "made up virus" was built upon a fraudulent lie, anything built upon a lie is false. Therefore the reason for the poisonous "death jab" is based upon NOTHING.
I've been against vaccine's since the 80's, and I've been following the info regarding them and their ingredients and the side affects since the 90's.
I've not been sick in decades, I've had a slight sinus problem the last one was in 2004 or 2005. I never drink tap water, and I eat healthy thanks to the Lord.

I've known Christian person's who take their flue shots, and every new type of shot that comes along, including the "death jab" and they are suffering terrible health problems due to their own choices.

So based upon the willful and fraudulent criminal activity by the Health services, the Government, Police forces, etc to coerce and arrest persons who refuse death jab, shut down businesses to kill the person's income so they can not provide for their family is something no "Christian Church" should agree with, or support. We who are Christ's live in His light and Truth. So how are we to support any type of Criminal activity based on LIES? While we are taught to present ALL things honest to ALL MEN!

We by God's Grace do not comply, HE is our Temple, Our bodies are His Temple..........
Do we obey wicked men, who are murderer's, thieves, liars? My Bible informs me no, plain and simple.

Anyone who "feels" to do otherwise, will pay a price.
A pastor needs to inform what the Lord's will is, and stand as the Lord desires him to stand without compromise. Those who will submit to the criminal activity, will separate themselves from those who will not comply to the lies, will suffer more than they realize. The Lord was never their protector, their surety, their high tower.

The Lord is not the author of confusion, He does not have one will for those who take the "death jab", and to those who refuse to take it...many "Christians" take the "death jab" so they can have a life, eat out, see family, travel etc., and have believed the virus lie. They have preferred their idols for families, pleasure, travel....the world.
So they have fallen for the temptation......."take the vax and have a life and you are free to do as you please" obey the guidance of the Lord, and you will not have freedom.......a separation has occurred, a testing has happened, and the future will reveal the consequences.......

The Lord bless you....
In His Love.....

 

[JonC]

The vaccine divide is liberty vs tyrany.
A leftist seeks to take away freedom
A liberal welcomes freedom and wants more. A leftist is very different than a liberal.

All I know is I believe people should decide for themselves how to run their businesses, how to care for their health, how to raise their children, etc.

The government should not dictate those things. Other people should not dictate those things. Those decisions belong to the individual.

 

[JonC]

Greetings,

I disagree with the "extremist sheeple" on both sides statement.
Why? Because there has never been a "Covid" virus, it has never been isolated, therefore it does NOT exist. You need to isolate a "virus" in order to develop a "vaccine"....that is the process.
So this "made up virus" was built upon a fraudulent lie, anything built upon a lie is false. Therefore the reason for the poisonous "death jab" is based upon NOTHING.
I've been against vaccine's since the 80's, and I've been following the info regarding them and their ingredients and the side affects since the 90's.
I've not been sick in decades, I've had a slight sinus problem the last one was in 2004 or 2005. I never drink tap water, and I eat healthy thanks to the Lord.

I've known Christian person's who take their flue shots, and every new type of shot that comes along, including the "death jab" and they are suffering terrible health problems due to their own choices.

So based upon the willful and fraudulent criminal activity by the Health services, the Government, Police forces, etc to coerce and arrest persons who refuse death jab, shut down businesses to kill the person's income so they can not provide for their family is something no "Christian Church" should agree with, or support. We who are Christ's live in His light and Truth. So how are we to support any type of Criminal activity based on LIES? While we are taught to present ALL things honest to ALL MEN!

We by God's Grace do not comply, HE is our Temple, Our bodies are His Temple..........
Do we obey wicked men, who are murderer's, thieves, liars? My Bible informs me no, plain and simple.

Anyone who "feels" to do otherwise, will pay a price.
A pastor needs to inform what the Lord's will is, and stand as the Lord desires him to stand without compromise. Those who will submit to the criminal activity, will separate themselves from those who will not comply to the lies, will suffer more than they realize. The Lord was never their protector, their surety, their high tower.

The Lord is not the author of confusion, He does not have one will for those who take the "death jab", and to those who refuse to take it...many "Christians" take the "death jab" so they can have a life, eat out, see family, travel etc., and have believed the virus lie. They have preferred their idols for families, pleasure, travel....the world.
So they have fallen for the temptation......."take the vax and have a life and you are free to do as you please" obey the guidance of the Lord, and you will not have freedom.......a separation has occurred, a testing has happened, and the future will reveal the consequences.......

The Lord bless you....
In His Love.....

I am not sure where you got the idea that the COVID virus has never been isolated, but that is incorrect.

The SARS-CoV-2 virus (the virus that causes COVID -19) has been isolated multiple times and its genome sequenced.

The idea it has not been isolated was fake news demanding the virus be isolated via a 19th Century microbiological theory that does not apply to viruses.

Not only has the COVID virus been isolated but it's varients have been as well.

As far as people who are vaccinated "paying a price", I just have to say it does not matter to me. God led me to be vaccinated, used that status to open ministry opportunities. The future belongs to God. Christians should not disobey God's leading in their lives for fear of the future.

 

[JonC]

The vaccine divide is liberty vs tyrany.
A leftist seeks to take away freedom
A liberal welcomes freedom and wants more. A leftist is very different than a liberal.

I mean it as a noun, capitalized. Specifically "such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)"

 

[CalTech]

I am not sure where you got the idea that the COVID virus has never been isolated, but that is incorrect.

The SARS-CoV-2 virus (the virus that causes COVID -19) has been isolated multiple times and its genome sequenced.

The idea it has not been isolated was fake news demanding the virus be isolated via a 19th Century microbiological theory that does not apply to viruses.

Not only has the COVID virus been isolated but it's varients have been as well.

As far as people who are vaccinated "paying a price", I just have to say it does not matter to me. God led me to be vaccinated, used that status to open ministry opportunities. The future belongs to God. Christians should not disobey God's leading in their lives for fear of the future.

Greetings,

I do not know from where you received this information that the virus was"isolated", was it main stream media?
Would you please post the link or links where you received this info, for I would like to see it for myself.....it would be greatly appreciated, I would like to see "if" I there was an error.

Thank you
The Lord bless you......
In His Love.....

 

[Reynolds]

All I know is I believe people should decide for themselves how to run their businesses, how to care for their health, how to raise their children, etc.

The government should not dictate those things. Other people should not dictate those things. Those decisions belong to the individual.

So then by your logic, the civil rights act is a perversion of how things "should be."

 

[JonC]

Greetings,

I do not know from where you received this information that the virus was"isolated", was it main stream media?
Would you please post the link or links where you received this info, for I would like to see it for myself.....it would be greatly appreciated, I would like to see "if" I there was an error.

Thank you
The Lord bless you......
In His Love.....

No. The reports are available (including data on the genome sequencing). It is not difficult to isolate viruses and variants (scientists do this routinely).

I do not watch the news. Life is too short. I do not trust mainstream media or their anti-mainstream counterparts. Both are agenda driven.

I will look, if I have time, for some of the links. I just finished re-spooling six reels, so I am taking a break.

 

[JonC]

So then by your logic, the civil rights act is a perversion of how things "should be."

Yes. If things are the way they should be the civil rights movement would not have been needed.

That said, civil rights laws were implemented because men are evil. And they are an example of the government taking away freedoms. In a better world good men would simply not support businesses that operated via a racist system.

Where you and I disagree is that I do not advocate government intervention to take away rights from the American people to suit agendas.

 

[JonC]

@CalTech ,

Here are a few things to consider:

The covid-19 virus was first isolated in January 2020.

Isolation and characterization of SARS-CoV-2 from the first US COVID-19 patient

 

[Reynolds]

Yes. If things are the way they should be the civil rights movement would not have been needed.

That said, civil rights laws were implemented because men are evil. And they are an example of the government taking away freedoms. In a better world good men would simply not support businesses that operated via a racist system.

Where you and I disagree is that I do not advocate government intervention to take away rights from the American people to suit agendas.

You kind of pick and choose. If you advocate for freedom for businesses to not allow unvaxed to do business, you should advocate for businesses to be able to deny service to anyone for any reason. Businesses should be able to deny service based on race, gender, religion, disability etc.etc. If we are to use your model of freedom.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No. The reports are available (including data on the genome sequencing). It is not difficult to isolate viruses and variants (scientists do this routinely).

I do not watch the news. Life is too short. I do not trust mainstream media or their anti-mainstream counterparts. Both are agenda driven.

I will look, if I have time, for some of the links. I just finished re-spooling six reels, so I am taking a break.

What kind… spin cast, fly, Cast?

 

[JonC]

You kind of pick and choose. If you advocate for freedom for businesses to not allow unvaxed to do business, you should advocate for businesses to be able to deny service to anyone for any reason. Businesses should be able to deny service based on race, gender, religion, disability etc.etc. If we are to use your model of freedom.

That is silly. By your standard businesses should be able not to hire people because they are Christians.

The issue is businesses have to follow the law. Anti-discrimination laws prohibit discrimination based on race, except as authorized by the law.

You are wanting to expand these laws to take away freedoms. That is wrong. It is anti-American.

My model of freedom is that the government should not restrict freedom. They do, but where we disagree is you seek to restrict more freedom and give the government more power.

This is because you view current liberties as a threat to your desires, and want the government to step in.

But that is a "fix" that can turn on a dime. We have seen this with anti-discrimination laws already.

 

[JonC]

What kind… spin cast, fly, Cast?

Three bait casters and the rest spin cast.

 

[Reynolds]

Madison county ga tax commissioner

That is silly. By your standard businesses should be able not to hire people because they are Christians.

The issue is businesses have to follow the law. Anti-discrimination laws prohibit discrimination based on race, except as authorized by the law.

You are wanting to expand these laws to take away freedoms. That is wrong. It is anti-American.

My model of freedom is that the government should not restrict freedom. They do, but where we disagree is you seek to restrict more freedom and give the government more power.

This is because you view current liberties as a threat to your desires, and want the government to step in.

But that is a "fix" that can turn on a dime. We have seen this with anti-discrimination laws already.

No Jon, you can't logically have it both ways. You support some laws protecting certain people, but you oppose laws protecting others. That is what is silly.

 

[JonC]

Madison county ga tax commissioner

No Jon, you can't logically have it both ways. You support some laws protecting certain people, but you oppose laws protecting others. That is what is silly.

I never said I support those laws. I said they exist.

Just because we have laws does not mean we have to beg for more.

If you are so ready to give up freedom to the government, why not just move to California? You may be more at home there. But leave the rest of us (at least those of us in the Southern states) alone.

Current you are wanting the government to add laws removing current rights that American citizens have.

I believe the less control the federal government has over its citizens the better. You want them to restrict our freedoms even more. We simply disagree.

 

[Reynolds]

I never said I support those laws. I said they exist.

Just because we have laws does not mean we have to beg for more.

If you are so ready to give up freedom to the government, why not just move to California? You may be more at home there. But leave the rest of us (at least those of us in the Southern states) alone.

Current you are wanting the government to add laws removing current rights that American citizens have.

I believe the less control the federal government has over its citizens the better. You want them to restrict our freedoms even more. We simply disagree.

I am wanting the govt to leave us alone. Without government meddling, businesses would have no right to check vaccine status. Jon, you are the outlier in the south, not me. You probably fit in in Columbia or Columbia as it's known.

 

[JonC]

I am wanting the govt to leave us alone. Without government meddling, businesses would have no right to check vaccine status. Jon, you are the outlier in the south, not me. You probably fit in in Columbia or Columbia as it's known.

No. Most of us in the South, my age, believe in a limited federal government with stronger states rights. You seem to be the outlier, wanting a stronger federal government and a weakening of individual freedoms.

Businesses have always had the right to require vaccines. Rarely do they, but that has been their right. Unlike you, I am a conservative and a capitalist.

Individuals have power in a capitalistic culture without the government taking away our freedoms and imposing the additional regulations you are seeking.

That is why an increase in minimum wages is unnecessary (given your stance, I assume you want the federal government to increase the minimum wage, so I'll use this as an example). No employer in my area starts off at minimum wage. Why? Because they need employees.

Your government intervention is unnecessary. What you do by wanting the federal government to step in remove freedoms is give power to the federal government.

And it will not stop at just what you want. That is what you do not get. When you start giving away our freedom you increasingly forfeit freedoms. Today you want the government to step in and make laws restricting freedoms that you think we should not have. But tomorrow somebody else will want to take away other freedoms.

 

[CalTech]

No. The reports are available (including data on the genome sequencing). It is not difficult to isolate viruses and variants (scientists do this routinely).

I do not watch the news. Life is too short. I do not trust mainstream media or their anti-mainstream counterparts. Both are agenda driven.

I will look, if I have time, for some of the links. I just finished re-spooling six reels, so I am taking a break.

Greetings,

Thank you for the update........Hhhmmmmm.......

The Lord bless you.....
In His Love.......

 

[CalTech]

@CalTech ,

Here are a few things to consider:

The covid-19 virus was first isolated in January 2020.

Isolation and characterization of SARS-CoV-2 from the first US COVID-19 patient

Greetings,

I see you are utilizing Governmental agencies to develop your stance. I thought so. The NIH, NLIM, they all lied........
Professionals around the world, and citizen's wrote to their various Health institution's, Hospitals, Government agencies asking for the "Data Report" which prove the "virus" was isolated, ALL answered back that the "documentation does NOT exist".

You've been fooled my friend, by believing all these "medical journals" who supported this destructive lie, were telling the truth.
It's been proven this "virus" did not come from "bats"......all of these reports were from the early days of this lie. Jan, March 2020 etc.
Also you can not trust any reports that had or do come out of China, they are murderer's, liars, thieves......
All of these links only proved that ALL of these so-called "medical reports" and agencies are ALL lies.

Thank you for posting them......
It was as I thought.........
The Medical Profession can NOT ever be trusted, especially since they are financially supported by Governments, Grants, from various World Order Foundations and the like.

You have listened to liars.
I stand On what the Lord informed me, it's all a fraudulent murderous lie.


Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


The Lord bless you.....
In His Love.....

 

[Reynolds]

No. Most of us in the South, my age, believe in a limited federal government with stronger states rights. You seem to be the outlier, wanting a stronger federal government and a weakening of individual freedoms.

Businesses have always had the right to require vaccines. Rarely do they, but that has been their right. Unlike you, I am a conservative and a capitalist.

Individuals have power in a capitalistic culture without the government taking away our freedoms and imposing the additional regulations you are seeking.

That is why an increase in minimum wages is unnecessary (given your stance, I assume you want the federal government to increase the minimum wage, so I'll use this as an example). No employer in my area starts off at minimum wage. Why? Because they need employees.

Your government intervention is unnecessary. What you do by wanting the federal government to step in remove freedoms is give power to the federal government.

And it will not stop at just what you want. That is what you do not get. When you start giving away our freedom you increasingly forfeit freedoms. Today you want the government to step in and make laws restricting freedoms that you think we should not have. But tomorrow somebody else will want to take away other freedoms.

I want freedom from govt. You are trying to spin tyrany into a false freedom. COTUS does not enumerate vaccine powers to the Federal govt. Therefore, they lie with the states, if they lie anywhere at all. I see nothing in the COTUS that gives any govt the right to forcibly or coercively inject my body. Georgia has not adopted a legal proof of Covid vaccine card. Therefore any such card comes from Federal authority. With no legally presentable proof of vaccine, it is impossible to check for status.

Jon, your version of freedom is like Peeing on someone and trying to tell them it's raining.