Originally posted by born again and again:
First of all, I do not get the impression that you are in any position to question my beliefs.
In a debate forum such as this we question each others beliefs on a regular basis. That is one of the purposes of debate and of learning. Questions like: "Do you know for sure that if you should die right now that you would go to Heaven?" are valuable questions. Can you answer it?
Second, no one knows what Jesus said, as he never wrote anything down and neither did anyone who witnessed his actions.
It seems to me he wrote something in the sand one day. A lot of people witnessed it too. They were very much convicted by what he wrote, and instead of stoning a woman (of which they previously had every intention of doing), they, each one, ashamedly went to their own homes. Never?? hmmmm.
The stories therfore must have been handed down by word of mouth until someone (and no one knows who) wrote them down a couple of hundred years later.
This is your opinion? Guesswork? Or what? On what basis do you make these statements. I am biting my naturally sarcastic tongue, but it is hard to do. I am about ready to let loose.
Who were some of the disciples? Shall I introduce you to some of them?
John was the youngest of them all. In case these truths are not self-evident a disciple (i.e., Apostle) was an eye-witness of the things that Jesus both said and did. John wrote: "The Gospel of John, The First, Second, and Third Epistles of John, and the Book of Revelation. John was an eyewitness of all that Jesus did in his ministry. Here is what John said:
1 John 1:1-3 That which was from the beginning,
which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which
we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
Or do you contend John is lying and was not an eyewitness who wrote this book, and wrote these things. John, the youngest of the disciples lived the longest and died before the end of the first century. This epistle was written about 90 A.D., not hundreds of years later. It was one of the last books to be written, Revelation the last book was written in 98 A.D.
So if you base your faith solely on those writings, you are limiting your ability to ascertain God's truth.
If you don't put your faith solely in the truths of this book, then it is possible you are not saved and worship another god, and not the God of the Bible. Christ is revealed to us through the Bible and only the Bible, God's revealed truth to mankind. He has not revealed his truth to man in any other way. If you are receiving "revelation" of God in some other way other than the Bible, then that "revelation" is not of God, but from the devil.
The phrase "(John 10:14) Spokn by Jesus Christ", really refers to the writings contained in the letters subscribed under the name of John, but written by someone as yet unidentified; and attributed to Jesus.
John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
I am not sure exactly what you are referring to. But the sayings of Jesus, as recorded by John, are just that. John wrote down what Jesus said. To say otherwise is:
To call Christ a liar.
To call John a liar.
To call the Holy Spirit who bears witness to these things a liar.
On what basis do you make these allegations?
What evidence do you put forth
"the writings contained in the letters subscribed under the name of John, but written by someone as yet unidentified;" is a valid statement? This is pure hogwash. What evidence do you have for your opinions. Back them up before you say such heretical things.
DHK
