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Does anyone believe Y1 is seeking information? No, then what is he doing. Seeking disruption?Were they in the Nas?
End users of any work product are more than qualified to comment of the problems they experience in trying to use the product. Feedback is a well know key to improvement. Some called expert posting on this board have asserted that end users, like myself, cannot comment on the work product because we are not qualified to produce the end product. That dog will not hunt.
Two Greek words, rhema and logos, are used primarily to refer to words, statements, what was said etc. In addition, John uses logos, translated Word, to refer to the second person of the trinity, i.e. the word became flesh.
Logos appears about 330 times in the NT, and rhema about 68 times. Often, they are translated in the same English words, i.e. word, words, etc.
This produces confusion when reading an English translation, because the underlying distinctive of one word over the other is lost in translation, and such blurring is unnecessary.
Rhema appears to me to primarily refer to what a person says, or what is said about a person, hence declare, declaration(s), remark(s), matter(s) seem to capture the basic meanings of rhema. Now, as John of Japan pointed out, sometimes a particular Greek construction, such as using the word in a particular grammatical way or in conjunction with another word or words, requires additional English words.
My position is that most Greek words are translated into far too many English words unnecessarily. Rhema is translated into about 20 different English words, when six or so would seem to do the trick.
Two Greek words, rhema and logos, are used primarily to refer to words, statements, what was said etc. In addition, John uses logos, translated Word, to refer to the second person of the trinity, i.e. the word became flesh.
Logos appears about 330 times in the NT, and rhema about 68 times. Often, they are translated in the same English words, i.e. word, words, etc.
This produces confusion when reading an English translation, because the underlying distinctive of one word over the other is lost in translation, and such blurring is unnecessary.
Rhema appears to me to primarily refer to what a person says, or what is said about a person, hence declare, declaration(s), remark(s), matter(s) seem to capture the basic meanings of rhema. Now, as John of Japan pointed out, sometimes a particular Greek construction, such as using the word in a particular grammatical way or in conjunction with another word or words, requires additional English words.
My position is that most Greek words are translated into far too many English words unnecessarily. Rhema is translated into about 20 different English words, when six or so would seem to do the trick.
The Greek word transliterated as "rhema" refers to something declared, stated, verbalized, etc. If it is used to refer to something put forth by God, declaration works well, if something put forth by people, remark works well. In a few cases, "rhema" is used to refer to a matter under discussion or dispute, thus we find "charge," matter, and "fact." Therefore, it appears that every place "rhema" appears in the NT could be concordantly translated as "declaration(s), remark(s), and matter(s). This would eliminate the shoddy translation of "rhema" as thing(s).
Romans 10:17
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
If we use declaration for rhema in the above verse, we get "faith from hearing the declaration concerning Christ." Therefore, since election for salvation is through or by means of faith, one of the prerequisites is to be exposed by grace to hearing the gospel declaration. So God has not only provided the grace of His written word, but also He has assigned believers to be His ambassadors, begging the lost to be reconciled in accordance with His gospel.
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
If we use declaration for rhema in the above verse, we get "faith from hearing the declaration concerning Christ." Therefore, since election for salvation is through or by means of faith, one of the prerequisites is to be exposed by grace to hearing the gospel declaration. So God has not only provided the grace of His written word, but also He has assigned believers to be His ambassadors, begging the lost to be reconciled in accordance with His gospel.
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