Could America fall to a Military Coup?

[gigabyte71]

This president who promised change is getting it done. His change not ours. We now basically have an open door policy at the border allowing terrorists in. We also have a military that is systematically restructured to follow what ever orders they get regardless of the legality of them. We are importing the Ebola virus into the US and then ferrying it wound on our commercial planes with permission from the CDC. All this to bring us to a state where martial law can be declared and the military take control.

A coup would not be against the President but against the people and constitution all done in the name of protecting the nation from itself. Add to that a financial collapse or at least a strong downturn and the stage is set.

I don't think you understand what a military coup is. The coup happened a long time ago, but it wasn't a military coup. What you are referring to is martial law, and the preparations for that have been happening for several years. It won't be the military though, as Posse Comitatus makes it more difficult to use the military for it, but I wouldn't rule them out. It is being done through Law Enforcement. I'm sure most of the people on here will just think that is all conspiracy, but I say it is opening of the eyes and a realistic view of what is going on.

 

[Judith]

I don't think you understand what a military coup is. The coup happened a long time ago, but it wasn't a military coup. What you are referring to is martial law, and the preparations for that have been happening for several years. It won't be the military though, as Posse Comitatus makes it more difficult to use the military for it, but I wouldn't rule them out. It is being done through Law Enforcement. I'm sure most of the people on here will just think that is all conspiracy, but I say it is opening of the eyes and a realistic view of what is going on.

I understand the difference, but I believe the military will be used and since we, unlike any other nation, are called a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, it will be a coup against the people.

 

[gigabyte71]

I understand the difference, but I believe the military will be used and since we, unlike any other nation, are called a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, it will be a coup against the people.

Then that isn't a military coup. In order for it to be a coup, they would have to overthrow the federal government. Otherwise, it is martial law.

And from all you said, I am surprised you actually believe we have a government that is of the people, by the people, and for the people. Corporate and special interest groups are the ones that effect legislation, not the will of the people. It is a farce that the people we elect are there to serve us, they only serve themselves. They have little fear of being voted out, as people will continue to vote for them, regardless of what they do.

 

[Use of Time]

I love how people think that the military is nothing but a bunch of mindless faceless drones. You know these are actually people that live in our community alongside us on a daily basis and live pretty normal lives with their families, they also go to church and handle their day to day business just like anyone else. If you think the military is just itching to crack down and enforce martial law on it's own citizens then I would say you need to get a dose of reality.

 

[gigabyte71]

I love how people think that the military is nothing but a bunch of mindless faceless drones. You know these are actually people that live in our community alongside us on a daily basis and live pretty normal lives with their families, they also go to church and handle their day to day business just like anyone else. If you think the military is just itching to crack down and enforce martial law on it's own citizens then I would say you need to get a dose of reality.

Do you not know that they have used the army on citizens in the past?

Bonus Army
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/trm203.html

Then there was Katrina...

But if you want to ignore facts, go right ahead, that is what most prefer to do.

 

[Sapper Woody]

This thread is filled with misinformation and far right wing spin. Some of what has been said is insulting, even. And yes, some have shown ignorance. I say we stop posting on this thread. It's beyond repair.

 

[Use of Time]

Do you not know that they have used the army on citizens in the past?

Bonus Army
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/trm203.html

Then there was Katrina...

But if you want to ignore facts, go right ahead, that is what most prefer to do.

Ok, you cited poor judgment in riot control almost a century ago and the ill prepared and unfocused use of National Guardsman during Katrina. That is a far cry from government take over and martial law. Give me a break.

 

[church mouse guy]

Not talking dems, talking conservatives and those who are against the liberal slide.

Conservatives are not going to try a coup unless Obama refuses to leave the White House forever at noon on January 20, 2017.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?month=1&day=20&year=2017&hour=12&min=00&sec=00&p0=867

 

[church mouse guy]

Current day Russia is the most glaring example of oligarchy globally, and has the highest rate of income inequality in the world. 35% of the wealth in that country is in the hands of 110 people. And yet the anarchists here defend Russia and it's activities at every turn. It makes one wonder why.

Excellent post, Lewis! I think that they basically hate the West but they really don't want to live in the third world or under Putin, a gestapo chief.

 

[gigabyte71]

Ok, you cited poor judgment in riot control almost a century ago and the ill prepared and unfocused use of National Guardsman during Katrina. That is a far cry from government take over and martial law. Give me a break.

And then more recently, there was Boston and Ferguson. Wonder how many of the Japanese thought they would be put in 'Camps' in America during WWII.

These are actual incidents, not conspiracies.

 

[Use of Time]

And then more recently, there was Boston and Ferguson. Wonder how many of the Japanese thought they would be put in 'Camps' in America during WWII.

These are actual incidents, not conspiracies.

World War II was deplorable. Ferguson and Boston was not military. It was police doing crowd control poorly. I know the enhanced equipment was big and scary too you and I'm not really a big fan of some of the stuff they have but none of the scenarios were even close to martial law. It was a reaction to an incident and then they went away when the situation did. I don't know what was so awful about Boston to you. There was a guy on a rampage through the city after he killed another police officer and engaged them in a crazy fire fight. That was a manhunt pure and simple.

 

[gigabyte71]

World War II was deplorable. Ferguson and Boston was not military. It was police doing crowd control poorly. I know the enhanced equipment was big and scary too you and I'm not really a big fan of some of the stuff they have but none of the scenarios were even close to martial law. It was a reaction to an incident and then they went away when the situation did. I don't know what was so awful about Boston to you. There was a guy on a rampage through the city after he killed another police officer and engaged them in a crazy fire fight. That was a manhunt pure and simple.

You probably support no knock warrants and 'show me your papers' road stops. And Boston wasn't simply a manhunt. How often do they lock down a city to find a single man?

 

[Use of Time]

You probably support no knock warrants and 'show me your papers' road stops. And Boston wasn't simply a manhunt. How often do they lock down a city to find a single man?

I don't think you have any right putting words in my mouth just becuase you are running out of false equivalencies.

They don't often lock down cities for a single man because a single man doesn't often plant explosives in a high traffic area murdering 8 people and starting firefights in the streets. You probably want to grab that guy while the trail is hot and keep people out of the way of his rampage as best as you possibly can. It didn't take long for the situation to resolve and return to normal. That isn't martial law. There was nobody seeking the power to rule in any of these scenarios.

 

[InTheLight]

I would say you are the one who needs to wake up as you must be another Obama supporter.

...and there it is. Anyone that does not believe in my wild accusations is an <gasp> Obama supporter. Duh-Da-DUH!!!

 

[InTheLight]

I love how people think that the military is nothing but a bunch of mindless faceless drones. You know these are actually people that live in our community alongside us on a daily basis and live pretty normal lives with their families, they also go to church and handle their day to day business just like anyone else. If you think the military is just itching to crack down and enforce martial law on it's own citizens then I would say you need to get a dose of reality.

It's even more farcical when you think about local police taking orders from Washington DC to incarcerate their friends and neighbors they've known all their lives.

 

[gigabyte71]

I don't think you have any right putting words in my mouth just becuase you are running out of false equivalencies.

They don't often lock down cities for a single man because a single man doesn't often plant explosives in a high traffic area murdering 8 people and starting firefights in the streets. You probably want to grab that guy while the trail is hot and keep people out of the way of his rampage as best as you possibly can. It didn't take long for the situation to resolve and return to normal. That isn't martial law. There was nobody seeking the power to rule in any of these scenarios.

You are the one putting words in my mouth. I never said a single one of these instances were martial law. If you actually read my first post, I said that martial law would likely not be done through the military, but through law enforcement. They have been preparing them to do such things, because Posse Comitatus would make it difficult to use the military.

I stated events because others believe that it is not even possible for this to happen, that it is out of the realm of possibility.

 

[InTheLight]

This thread is filled with misinformation and far right wing spin. Some of what has been said is insulting, even. And yes, some have shown ignorance. I say we stop posting on this thread. It's beyond repair.

The bad news is that this could be posted in likely more than 50% of the threads in the News/Politics forums.

The good news is: Hey, I found my new sig!

 

[gigabyte71]

It's even more farcical when you think about local police taking orders from Washington DC to incarcerate their friends and neighbors they've known all their lives.

Why is it that so many police officers don't work in the areas they live in?

 

[Sapper Woody]

The bad news is that this could be posted in likely more than 50% of the threads in the News/Politics forums.

The good news is: Hey, I found my new sig!

Lol, glad I could help out!

 

[InTheLight]

You are the one putting words in my mouth. I never said a single one of these instances were martial law. If you actually read my first post, I said that martial law would likely not be done through the military, but through law enforcement. They have been preparing them to do such things, because Posse Comitatus would make it difficult to use the military.

I stated events because others believe that it is not even possible for this to happen, that it is out of the realm of possibility.

It is out of the realm of possibility, at least on a national level. There might be some local police departments that would follow orders from Washington DC, but not many, certainly nowhere near enough to enforce martial law.

Martial law on such a large scale would need to be carried out by the National Guard. The National Guard are controlled by each state's governor. Not every governor is going to follow Obama's wishes.