Can God sin?
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Could Christ have sinned?
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Tsalagi
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I would have to second Larry's view on this topic. Your argument is essentially Jesus is God, and God can't sin. I could equally argue Jesus is God, and God does not change. But Jesus changed; He grew in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52) and He learned obedience (Hebrews 5:8). God does not sleep (Psalm 121:4), but Jesus did sleep (Mark 4:38). God does not need food or drink, but Jesus was hungry (Matthew 4:2) and thirsty (John 19:28). God is eternal and does not experience birth or death (Psalm 90:2), but Jesus was born and died. If Jesus in His humanity could change, could learn, could sleep, could hunger and thirst, and could die, I have little difficulty believing He could sin if He so chose.
Jesus is hardly a worthy example of faith and obedience for me if He is the "copper wire welded to the iron bar" (non posse peccare) and I'm not.
I already said it was an observation. An observation is an observation. Those who usually hold to Christ being able to sin but chooses not to, are those who hold to Grace/Works salvation. Those who hold to the impossibility of Christ being able to sin, are those who hold to Grace only salvation.
So, again, do you disagree?
Quantrill
Tsalagi
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I guess we will just have to trust in Jesus' love for His Father and for us, won't we?
Tsalagi
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This conclusion is not obvious to me, sorry.
Lodic
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God is not capable of sin. Jesus "set aside" His divine attributes for the time He walked the earth. The first Adam was created sinless and perfect, yet with the ability to sin or not. As the second Adam, Jesus had the same nature as Adam - sinless and perfect, with the ability to sin or not. The Cross ended this need since Jesus paid for our sins.
Jesus did not set aside His Divine attributes at any time.
Tsalagi
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Paul says otherwise in Philippians 2.
Tsalagi
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Sorry, but there is a notable absence of Scriptural support for the conjecture that Jesus in heaven has lost His free will.
Lodic
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I didn't say Jesus lost His free will in Heaven. Jesus = God, Who is incapable of sin any more than the Father or the Holy Spirit.
Tsalagi
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Again, was Jesus God when he was hungry and thirsty, when He changed, grew, and learned? Can God be born and die?
I think the arguments are going past one another, never making contact in a meaningful way.
Could Christ have sinned? It depends on perspective. Is God limited in ability? No. But God has revealed Himself to be righteous.
Could Jesus have framed the words "no" in opposition to His earthly parents? Yes, of course. BUT it was also impossible that He would as sin was not in His nature.
That does not negate Christ's suffering and struggle with temptation (He prayed to let the cup pass) but highlights His obedience (but He prayed not His will but the Father's be done).
Could Christ have sinned? It depends on perspective. Is God limited in ability? No. But God has revealed Himself to be righteous.
Could Jesus have framed the words "no" in opposition to His earthly parents? Yes, of course. BUT it was also impossible that He would as sin was not in His nature.
That does not negate Christ's suffering and struggle with temptation (He prayed to let the cup pass) but highlights His obedience (but He prayed not His will but the Father's be done).
Tsalagi
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Sin was not in Lucifer's nature, or in Eve's, or in Adam's. This did not prevent their choosing to disobey. The nature argument by itself is not persuasive.
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free will does not exist.the notable absence of scripture is you do not gave one verse teaching free will.
no he does not,
This doesn't make sense. How can you make comparison with Jesus and you just because you believe He could have sinned? Were you virgin born, free from sin? Are you God the Son? Notable advantages wouldn't you say?
Quantrill
Yet (John 8:44) says of satan, "...He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him...."
Quantrill
Jesus was/is the God Man. As the God/Man He was both hungry and thirsty. The Son didn't cease to be God when He became a Man. He didn't 'change' from God to man. As the God/Man He was born into the family of man. As the God/Man He could only die at His word. (John 10:18)
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