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Could Fallen Adam choose Life

Precisely that:

15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.
19 For as through the one man`s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the one shall the many be made righteous. Ro 5

You know Brother Larry, I may not agree with everything you post, but probably better than 90% agreement....I am awesomely amazed at how quick you have an answer for questions thrown @ you.

BTW, I agree with this post of yours. I heard an ORB Elder, Elder Mike Slone, the SGA Moderator preach about this very thing about a year ago. Man was it a blessed sermon....he is "old regular" on here...although he rarely posts on here...
 

savedbymercy

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Adams choice only conformed to God's Purpose and decree, Adam would choose to do what God predestinated him to do ! Eph 1:11

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Prov 19:21

21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.
 

kyredneck

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Elder Slone and I have had contact in the past. I believe we may have spoken over the phone once.
 

OldRegular

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Precisely that:

15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.
19 For as through the one man`s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the one shall the many be made righteous. Ro 5

I love your Scripture but still question the typology!
 

kyredneck

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No worries, the Lord will forgive you for it! :)

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...incidentally, the belief that Adam chose to die to be with Eve is old Rabbinical in origin.
 
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kyredneck

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I love your Scripture but still question the typology!

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it;
28 Even so ought husbands also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his own wife loveth himself:
29 for no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as Christ also the church; Gal 5

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh.
32 This mystery is great: but I speak in regard of Christ and of the church. Eph 5

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve in his craftiness, your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity and the purity that is toward Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or if ye receive a different spirit, which ye did not receive, or a different gospel, which ye did not accept, ye do well to bear with him. 2 Cor 11

....and there's no shortage of scriptures making the connection of husband and wives/Eve to the mystery of Christ and the Church.
 
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Elder Slone and I have had contact in the past. I believe we may have spoken over the phone once.

I speak with Brother Mike from time-to-time. Novemember of 2013, I went to a church in Magoffin county he pastors, named Mt. Moriah. It was there I heard him preach the picture of Adam dying to be with his bride as a typology of Christ and His bride. I wanted to leap through the roof!!! In a good way...:D
 

OldRegular

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No worries, the Lord will forgive you for it! :)

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...incidentally, the belief that Adam chose to die to be with Eve is old Rabbinical in origin.
John Gill says the same:

John Gill, the preeminent Baptist theologian of the 18th century, comments on the Apostle Paul’s description of Adam’s transgression:

“There is no need to say with interpreters, that he was not deceived first; and that he was not deceived immediately by the serpent, but by Eve; and that he is never said in Scripture to be deceived, as Melchizedek is never said to have a father or mother. The apostle's positive assertion is to be taken without any such limitations or qualifications; Adam never was deceived at all; neither by the serpent, with whom he never conversed; nor by his wife, he knew what he did, when he took the fruit of her, and ate; he ate it not under any deception, or vain imagination, that they should not die, but should be as gods, knowing good and evil. He took and ate out of love to his wife, from a fond affection to her, to bear her company, and that she might not die alone; he knew what he did, and he knew what would be the consequence of it, the death of them both; and inasmuch as he sinned wilfully, and against light and knowledge, without any deception, his sin was the greater: and hereby death came in, and passed on all men, who sinned in him.”
 

PreachTony

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Which is saying God made him sin.......unavoidable conclusion of your position.

No, steaver, from what I understand there is some rationale in which man is predestined by God to sin, but God is not responsible for sin, man is. Somehow man, who we've acknowledged is predestined to sin, and cannot help but sin, and has no choice but to sin, is solely responsible for the sin he cannot help but commit because of his predestination. In other words, God caused sin, but God is not responsible for sin. Man, meanwhile, is accountable for actions he cannot help but commit. Confused? I am, but I'm also tired,
 

kyredneck

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Precisely that:

15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.
19 For as through the one man`s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the one shall the many be made righteous. Ro 5

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam`s transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come. Ro 5
 

Yeshua1

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You know Brother Larry, I may not agree with everything you post, but probably better than 90% agreement....I am awesomely amazed at how quick you have an answer for questions thrown @ you.

BTW, I agree with this post of yours. I heard an ORB Elder, Elder Mike Slone, the SGA Moderator preach about this very thing about a year ago. Man was it a blessed sermon....he is "old regular" on here...although he rarely posts on here...

Salvation is indeed a free gift, but God has ordained that faith is the sole means of obtaining it!
 

thatbrian

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Choosing to live forever and choosing God are not the same thing. Every sinner I know wants eternal life, but not one wants the God who gives life.No Calvinist I know thinks that man is incapable of choice, but we know through scripture and experience that none choose God.
 
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