Could God Have Used Evolution?

[Thinkingstuff]

Yes how about them? At first scientist denied there was any such place as Jericho. They also denied that there was ever anyone named Pilot who was governer over Israel. What do you know they finally found out there was.

If the means at which they date objects were so accurate then how come the shroud of turin has so many different dates attached to it. They claim it accurate but they haven't proved it to be true. They will never prove it because in order for proof to exist there would have to be live testimony. Or actual record made by man at the time.
You see everything on earth has existed ever since the beginning in one form or another. If that is true then how can there be such a wide difference in age. Everything has a different atomic structure to assume something is a certain age by testing how much radiation or carbon 13 it has is ridiculous. They don't know how much it had to begin with. So they assume everything has the same when it is melted down. Where is the proof of that. Far to many assumptions to come away with an accurate estimate of age. This theory is made of "assumptions" and carbon 13 testing is a theory not a fact. Nor has it ever been established as fact.

No one not even the Bible says they did not exist but insteads confirms it and you tell us about it your self. The fact is they are extinct. They claim they were evolved but I haven't seen any lately. Some say they are lizards others say they are birds. They just can't make up their minds can they?
They also claim to know that man wasn't even thought of yet when they existed but the Bible tells us differently. In Texas they discoverd the foot prints of man following a dinosaur and still deny man was alive at the time.

I guess it all depends on who you believe God or man.

Yes to the latter. Scientist aren't at the head of there class unless they accept the theory of evolution as fact.

Darwinianism is a religion based on the fact it has never been proved to be true. It's called a theory because it is. A theory is not fact. It's followers have no choice for if they openly reject it, there work is never considerd seriously.
All religions are theories because we cannot physcially prove there is a God. Thats why we discuss theology. Science is in the same catagory. it is all theory and most of the time science proves it self wrong. The Bible has never been proved wrong.
MB

The dig around Jericho does not show that the walls came down in the matter the bible describes.

Carbon dating has its down side but it has been proven more than not.

I heard the foot print thing before but it is an assumption that it happened at the same time. and there is the point that it maybe a urban myth

Blind belief is not a good thing. Just ask people in Wako.

Evolution is a theory based on observation. Not on ancient assumptions like the bible.

 

[lbaker]

Actually, its a very uninformed one, and your question is worse! Put on your thinking cap! Have you forgotten the flood?
RB

Speaking of the flood. Do you not believe the Genesis account that Noah was to take into the ark one pair of the unclean animals and seven pairs of the clean? Not sure whether or not dinosaurs were clean but there would have been at least one pair on the ark. So, since God's intent was for all the animals that came out of the ark to be fruitful and increase on the Earth, where are the descendants of the dinosaurs that came out of the ark? Not to mention the prehistoric giant scorpions and trilobites and mastodons and sabretooth cats? The ark would have to have been a lot larger than it is decribed if it held at least two of all the different kinds of truly huge prehistoric animals.

 

[lbaker]

Many times no doubt but ask your self this how can they disregard the fact the Bible has never been proved wrong.

Les here: I don't think anyone is arguing that the Bible is wrong. Just that some people's interpretation could be wrong.

They also claim to know that man wasn't even thought of yet when they existed but the Bible tells us differently. In Texas they discoverd the foot prints of man following a dinosaur and still deny man was alive at the time.

Les here: I'm pretty sure the claim that they are human and dinosaur footprints has been proven wrong and isn't even used as evidence in most Creation Science circles any more.

MB

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[annsni]

Les here: I don't claim that God is misleading us. It is people that mislead us into thinking that God has fooled us. If God was just all the time creating stuff "with the appearance of age" no one would have been impressed with Jesus creating wine that was well aged. The very fact that it was unusual and unexpected is what made it a miracle.

So it would have been less of a miracle if Jesus made water into grape juice? I don't think so. Besides it's not like God was doing a whole bunch of creating brand new things with age after Creation. Did he?

Speaking of the flood. Do you not believe the Genesis account that Noah was to take into the ark one pair of the unclean animals and seven pairs of the clean? Not sure whether or not dinosaurs were clean but there would have been at least one pair on the ark. So, since God's intent was for all the animals that came out of the ark to be fruitful and increase on the Earth, where are the descendants of the dinosaurs that came out of the ark? Not to mention the prehistoric giant scorpions and trilobites and mastodons and sabretooth cats? The ark would have to have been a lot larger than it is decribed if it held at least two of all the different kinds of truly huge prehistoric animals.

What if some of these animals were already extinct?? Could have definitely happened.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

So it would have been less of a miracle if Jesus made water into grape juice? I don't think so. Besides it's not like God was doing a whole bunch of creating brand new things with age after Creation. Did he?



What if some of these animals were already extinct?? Could have definitely happened.

forcing the bible a bit are we?

 

[lbaker]

So it would have been less of a miracle if Jesus made water into grape juice? I don't think so. Besides it's not like God was doing a whole bunch of creating brand new things with age after Creation. Did he?

Les here: Why not?


What if some of these animals were already extinct?? Could have definitely happened.

Les here: I thought the idea was that all those fossils were from animals killed in the flood, when all the layers of rock were supposedly laid down at one time. Also, why would any of them have gone extinct prior to the flood? Weren't they supposed to have been busy being fruitful and multiplying?

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[annsni]

Why not?

Ask Him.

I thought the idea was that all those fossils were from animals killed in the flood, when all the layers of rock were supposedly laid down at one time. Also, why would any of them have gone extinct prior to the flood? Weren't they supposed to have been busy being fruitful and multiplying?

Well, who's to know? And since we have seen fossils from after the flood period (it happens even without the flood), we know that they could have been created before during and after the flood.

forcing the bible a bit are we?

Nah. I do think that your position ignores it though.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

lbaker-----------

Well, the ground was cursed because of Adam's sin so food was difficult to come by (maybe a reason for so much violence. After all according to the book of Enoch -Jewish apocalyptic literature the nephalim killed and ate people). Could be they starved. Just to take the otherside for a moment.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Ask Him.




Well, who's to know? And since we have seen fossils from after the flood period (it happens even without the flood), we know that they could have been created before during and after the flood.



Nah. I do think that your position ignores it though.

That last bit was me. Not Ibaker. No it doesn't. If the genesis account is to be taken as an outline rather than literal.

 

[Revmitchell]

My point is that evolution doesn't make a statement about God just processes. Most people who adhere to God used evolution will say God used the process of evolution to create man. So it still applies God made man by what process? Dirt? Or Evolution?

Aside from the fact that scripture says man was made from the dust of the ground ( which is irrelevant to what I am saying) evolution is contrary to scripture as I have shown regardless of how unclear the process is to you. Evolution is not a possibility because Jesus said man was made "in the beginning".

 

[Revmitchell]

The dig around Jericho does not show that the walls came down in the matter the bible describes.

Carbon dating has its down side but it has been proven more than not.

I heard the foot print thing before but it is an assumption that it happened at the same time. and there is the point that it maybe a urban myth

Blind belief is not a good thing. Just ask people in Wako.

Evolution is a theory based on observation. Not on ancient assumptions like the bible.

There has been at no time where evolution was observed.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Speaking of the flood. Do you not believe the Genesis account that Noah was to take into the ark one pair of the unclean animals and seven pairs of the clean? Not sure whether or not dinosaurs were clean but there would have been at least one pair on the ark. So, since God's intent was for all the animals that came out of the ark to be fruitful and increase on the Earth, where are the descendants of the dinosaurs that came out of the ark? Not to mention the prehistoric giant scorpions and trilobites and mastodons and sabretooth cats? The ark would have to have been a lot larger than it is decribed if it held at least two of all the different kinds of truly huge prehistoric animals.

Why would I not believe the Genesis account of the flood? Have I not been affirming that the Bible is God's infallible Word?

Concerning your other questions, obviously many of the kinds of dinos went extinct over the last 4700 years. Why is that such a big mystery? lol

RB

 

[annsni]

That last bit was me. Not Ibaker. No it doesn't. If the genesis account is to be taken as an outline rather than literal.

If it is an outline, how can there be plants without the sun?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

If it is an outline, how can there be plants without the sun?

What are you talking about?

do you know how the outline works?

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Evolution is a theory based on observation. Not on ancient assumptions like the bible.

Did someone on the board say that darwinian evolution doesn't lead to atheism?

You ought to be ashamed of speaking of God's holy Word in the manner you just did thinkingstuff.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Aside from the fact that scripture says man was made from the dust of the ground ( which is irrelevant to what I am saying) evolution is contrary to scripture as I have shown regardless of how unclear the process is to you. Evolution is not a possibility because Jesus said man was made "in the beginning".

If you understand evolution is that we developed from a simple organism "in the begining" and if God's hand was in it then it hold that "in the begining" God made man.

 

[TCGreek]

Did someone on the board say that darwinian evolution doesn't lead to atheism?

You ought to be ashamed of speaking of God's holy Word in the manner you just did thinkingstuff.

The great princeton theologian BB Warfield was a theistic evolutionist, and a good calvinist. :thumbs:

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Did someone on the board say that darwinian evolution doesn't lead to atheism?

You ought to be ashamed of speaking of God's holy Word in the manner you just did thinkingstuff.

You know I'm doing it for the case of the argument not because I believe it. This is how an evolutionist (probably and athiestic one at that) may respond. I personally reverance the bible.

 

[lbaker]

Well, who's to know? And since we have seen fossils from after the flood period (it happens even without the flood), we know that they could have been created before during and after the flood.

Les here: Whoa, I thought the idea was that the dinosaurs were killed off by the flood and that the flood caused all the fossils to be buried. Now you're saying there were pre-flood fossils? Hmmmm, how do you tell which ones are pre-flood or post-flood or during-flood? What about all the be fruitful, etc.? How can they be fruitful and go extinct at the same time?

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[ReformedBaptist]

The great princeton theologian BB Warfield was a theistic evolutionist, and a good calvinist. :thumbs:

Prove it.

:jesus: