Could God Have Used Evolution?

[Revmitchell]

God makes a principle "the weak shall inherit the earth" not the strongest. Why would God work agianst his own principle?

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

ooops. the meek I stand corrected but I hope it doesn't diminish the point.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

LOL you are like my wife - can't decide which side of the argument you are on!

Okay, all this bad stuff only happens with the theory of evolution if humans take it and apply it incorrectly. From a christian perspective love thy neighbor should always trump outcompete thy neighbor, even if you accept evolution as a viable method for God to use in Creation. It's people that are the problem, not a theory. Just look at what they did with christianity in the middle ages - crusades, inquisition, wars and more wars...look at how folks have used Scripture incorrectly to justify all kinds of stuff - slavery, etc. Doesn't mean we should throw out the Bible. "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

I personally was never on the side of evolution. However, chose it here because not many would and it wouldn't be fair.

 

[lbaker]

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

I think Jesus means the meek in spirit, those with humble attitudes, not that whoever is the physically weakest wins. I've known some really wimpy guys that were the most arrogant jerks you could imagine. It is the spiritually meek and humble that will inherit the earth, probably meaning the recreated earth.

Nature, whether you give any credit to evolution or not, just doesn't work that way.

Otherwise, someone would field a football team of 120 lb. linemen and wipe up the NFL and we'd have antelope and deer mugging lions all over the place.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I think Jesus means the meek in spirit, those with humble attitudes, not that whoever is the physically weakest wins. I've known some really wimpy guys that were the most arrogant jerks you could imagine. It is the spiritually meek and humble that will inherit the earth, probably meaning the recreated earth.

Nature, whether you give any credit to evolution or not, just doesn't work that way.

Otherwise, someone would field a football team of 120 lb. linemen and wipe up the NFL and we'd have antelope and deer mugging lions all over the place.

Now that is entertainment.

 

[lbaker]

I personally was never on the side of evolution. However, chose it here because not many would and it wouldn't be fair.

I know, just making a joke.

Personally, I would prefer it (evolution) not to be true and nothing would please me more than for genuine scientists to suddenly say "Eureka, er, we seem to have miscalculated. The Earth is only 6,000 years old!"

But, things being as they are, I think we as christians should deal with the world as it is, or at least as it appears to be. One of my concerns is for kids that go off to school thinking evolution is just pure fantasy and then hear that is does make sense and lose their faith because they have no alternative way of viewing scripture other than literally, in the most traditional sense.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I know, just making a joke.

Personally, I would prefer it (evolution) not to be true and nothing would please me more than for genuine scientists to suddenly say "Eureka, er, we seem to have miscalculated. The Earth is only 6,000 years old!"

But, things being as they are, I think we as christians should deal with the world as it is, or at least as it appears to be. One of my concerns is for kids that go off to school thinking evolution is just pure fantasy and then hear that is does make sense and lose their faith because they have no alternative way of viewing scripture other than literally, in the most traditional sense.

I think God and his greatness and his care and order of this universe is so vast that scientist will never get to know for sure. BTW evolution by principle would cause evil because it promotes this behavior as required for survival. The bible by principle would cause peace it is departure for the bible that evil occures. Departure from evolution will cause peace. That's kind of the point I was getting at.

 

[Revmitchell]

ooops. the meek I stand corrected but I hope it doesn't diminish the point.

It not only diminishes your point but makes it completely invalid.

 

[annsni]

I didn't ask that question. Nor would I ever ask such a question. I am not sure how you ended up quoting me on this unless it was a result of my quoting someone else.

Didn't think that was you. LOL - I actually was ready to go back to see where you might have said it - maybe pretending to be someone else or something? :laugh:

Could God have used evolution? I guess He could have. However, since death entered the world because of sin, and God Himself said that He created the world in 6 days, I'll go with God's Word rather than man's shortsightedness.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

It not only diminishes your point but makes it completely invalid.

Ok. So I don't have a point. I guess the evolutionist win this one.

 

[Aaron]

I didn't ask that question. Nor would I ever ask such a question. I am not sure how you ended up quoting me on this unless it was a result of my quoting someone else.

Look in your first post. It's a question you were responding to when you started this thread. I'm responding to that question too.

 

[Aaron]

Actually, I'm going to take Revmithel's point on this. Evolution can be a societal problem because the tennant is if God used it then God is using a system where the fittest survives which goes against the character of God. Look in nature there are many things that apart from the grace of God would have died out long ago. but that isn't the case. God makes a principle "the weak shall inherit the earth" not the strongest. Why would God work agianst his own principle? Evolution in science threatens Life liberty and peace because it moves from science into the social realm. Social Darwinism. The Eugenics issue in Germany during WWII is an example of how it threatens all the above. Might makes right type of thinking pervades and I should overcome you because you are weaker and don't have the right to survive. That is how this plays out in society. So yes it is a threat.

As others have already corrected the misquote, I won't belabor the point. :type:

One may oppose Evolution because of the societal implications, but that's not a legitimate opposition. If Evolution is true, then Social Darwinism is true, and to oppose it is to oppose God.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

As others have already corrected the misquote, I won't belabor the point. :type:

One may oppose Evolution because of the societal implications, but that's not a legitimate opposition. If Evolution is true, then Social Darwinism is true, and to oppose it is to oppose God.

I already conceded the point. We need to included social darwinism into our teachings so that we don't offend God. So creationist are opposed to God. I get it.

What I was trying to point out ineffectively was that when we consider the nature of God in principle and the nature of evolution in principle why would God use a method in direct opposition to his principles. To feed the poor and to help the undefensible is in contrast to the tennants of evolution and social darwinsim where he strongest and fittest survive. However, that's not a point since the Rev said it wasn't. I'll stick to the evolutionist side of things since people are really upset that I would even consider attempting to make a point in their favor.

 

[lbaker]

One may oppose Evolution because of the societal implications, but that's not a legitimate opposition. If Evolution is true, then Social Darwinism is true, and to oppose it is to oppose God.

I'm not sure Evolution has to = Social Darwinism. Animals, at least as far as we know, were not made in the image of God and have no concept of morality or a spiritual existence. Some of the things Jesus says we should do violate what might be the best choice biologically. I don't know of any major religion today that says we should go out and kill our neighbor and steal his wife and property. If God could design things so that we evolved with intelligence He could also rig it so we have a moral compass.

 

[webdog]

The fact that many atheistic darwinianists are now leaving the "theory" of evolution as defined by Darwin based on discoveries over the past 50 years is telling. It is equally telling that professing believers who continue to support darwinianistic evolution continue to do so after these atheist are abandoning ship. At least they are kooky enough to believe life originated on another planet, and aliens or solar winds brought life to our planet. The evidence does NOT support evolution, even amongst atheists...yet believers still support it? Crazy...

For you Christian darwiniansists...Chip Ingram has a good small group study dealing with evolution. It would behoove you to participate in it to see just how out of touch your view really is today.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

On the OP question, "Could God have Used Evolution?" I wanted to reiterate that it doesn't matter what God could have done, but what the Scriptures infallibly declare He did do.

RB

 

[Thinkingstuff]

On the OP question, "Could God have Used Evolution?" I wanted to reiterate that it doesn't matter what God could have done, but what the Scriptures infallibly declare He did do.

RB

And what pray tell is that? He created the universe. Both camps are saying that. Methodology is in quesiton.

 

[webdog]

And what pray tell is that? He created the universe. Both camps are saying that. Methodology is in quesiton.

Since those who don't even believe in God are saying dariwinianism cannot be true, the methodology should be a no brainer, IMO. God's creation does not include darwinianism.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Since those who don't even believe in God are saying dariwinianism cannot be true, the methodology should be a no brainer, IMO. God's creation does not include darwinianism.

Are you saying I don't believe in God?

 

[webdog]

Are you saying I don't believe in God?

I have no clue how you arrived at that question from my post...

Re-read it.