Could God Have Used Evolution?

[Thinkingstuff]

Yeah - and there are others who are just as educated as Carl Sagan yet dismiss Darwinian evolution.

Then again, I am raising and educating 4 human beings - with no formal education other than 12th grade and some college. Maybe I should quit.

It wasn't a personal attack on you. Just laying down some science. By all means I educate my children as well (4 Homo Sapiens), actually it's my wife doing It I just take a strong support role.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I'm sorry I can't take seriously someone who built a museum in Kentucky with these credentials (from Wiki)



especially When I consider the education of Carl Sagan and others.

Try not to show your unwillingness to learn and hear the other side so blatantly. Click the link to learn who wrote the book I referenced, published by AiG.

But your tactics still follow that of atheists...if you can't refute it, just discredit it.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

It wasn't a personal attack on you. Just laying down some science. By all means I educate my children as well (4 Homo Sapiens), actually it's my wife doing It I just take a strong support role.

I have five children made in the image of God whom we educate in science, what is good science, and what is the imaginations of the ungodly.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I have five children made in the image of God whom we educate in science, what is good science, and what is the imaginations of the ungodly.

So you tell them belief in creation is ungodly? What? :laugh: (of course I'm kidding)

 

[ReformedBaptist]

So you tell them belief in creation is ungodly? What? :laugh: (of course I'm kidding)

Actually, true story here, when I explained what evolution is to my daugther she burst out laughing and told me to stop joking around because I joke around with her sometimes, like when she was little and told her if she didn't obey me all her teeth would fall out. :laugh: Seriously, she could not believe that grown-ups could believe something like that. I had to go online and prove to her actual human beings believe evolution. She was flabergasted.

RB

 

[DHK]

Just the fact that the stars in far away galaxies take billions of years for their light to even reach our planet proves this.

Don't you believe that when God created the stars, he created the light to go with them? Supposedly it may take billions of years for light to reach our planet, but it was God that created the light.

How old was Adam when he was just one day old? An infant? No, more likely a man of the appearance of approximately 30. At the end of six days of creation God looked upon all that He had created and saw that it was very good.

But He also saw that everything was fully formed. The trees--fruit bearing trees for Adam and Eve to eat of, insects to pollinate them, fully grown elephants, giraffes, dogs, etc. And Adam named all the animals. They weren't all one-day infants.

The world, man, and the universe were all created with an appearance of age. Thus even when the astronomer attempts to date what God has created, he runs up against the brick wall of creation--that God created it, and it was God that created it with an appearance of age.

 

[Marcia]

Does it? My position on this (for the purpose of this debate) is not a literal translation of 6 days but an outline indicating that God created everything and it has a specified order originating in God therefore God created everything and told it in a common method used to pass information in the ancient world. The Genesis account is not about methodoligy as principle. Scientific discovery shows the inadiquacy of the literal view. That is the Evolutionist principle. Just the fact that the stars in far away galaxies take billions of years for their light to even reach our planet proves this.

No one has discoverd how the world began. The only way we know about it is Genesis.

Scientists have presuppostions about evolution and interpret the data through that filter. For example, they say since there is similarity between living creatures, we all came from something similar, instead of thinking that maybe it's because we all have the same Creator.

Did you see my post mentioning that book by Michael Denton (and atheist or agnostic) that challenges evolutionary theory? He's not the only one.

Do you know that some educated people are now saying maybe the earth was "seeded" by aliens? They are saying this because the evidence for evolution is still not to be found.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

No one has discoverd how the world began. The only way we know about it is Genesis.

Scientists have presuppostions about evolution and interpret the data through that filter. For example, they say since there is similarity between living creatures, we all came from something similar, instead of thinking that maybe it's because we all have the same Creator.

Did you see my post mentioning that book by Michael Denton (and atheist or agnostic) that challenges evolutionary theory? He's not the only one.

Do you know that some educated people are now saying maybe the earth was "seeded" by aliens? They are saying this because the evidence for evolution is still not to be found.

The educated people are saying it because they don't know how rational thought evolved.

I did see your post and I guess he might be worth the gander but not if he's some hairbrained creationist trying to force religion into our schools going against the principles of the sepration of church and state. (Yeah this is how the evolutionist would play it.)

And keep in mind what you said. At least the Scientist (evolutionist) is looking at data. And yes it's through the filter of the scientific meathod. Using the scientific meathod on the genesis account will not yeild a positive outlook for your story.

If God made the world seem to be older than it is (which must be the case for light to travel so far with the stars) then he's lying. And CS Lewis was right when he said that Jesus is either what he claimed to be or was a madman or the worst type of liar. He could not have been a good man. Only God or vile. God is lying to you by making the world look older or he is telling the principles of creation to the human race.

 

[Jim1999]

There are other religious writings that contain something about the creation of the earth, time and populace.

Theistic evolution differs greatly from so-called atheistic evolution and even Darwinism.

Some have man evolving from other living things.

Deism does not deny that God created man and in his own "image"; rational being with spirit or soul. He did not evolve from other living things, but there is a progression in time and in earth.

When we understand what the Bible is saying, we cannot exclude to whom the writer is writing at the time and the circumstances of time, and that the Bible is essentially the story of redemption through the bloodlines chosen by God. Not all periphery details are given in these early accounts and we are left to fill in the details by what we know and can discover without discrediting the account purposed by God.

The important thing to remember is that true Theistic evolutionists do not deny the Bible or any of the essential doctrines of scripture. If we said nothing about creation you wouldn't have a clue that we were theistic evolutionists. In fact, you are more than likely to accuse us of hyper calvinism.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[DHK]

If God made the world seem to be older than it is (which must be the case for light to travel so far with the stars) then he's lying. And CS Lewis was right when he said that Jesus is either what he claimed to be or was a madman or the worst type of liar. He could not have been a good man. Only God or vile. God is lying to you by making the world look older or he is telling the principles of creation to the human race.

That's a pretty serious charge. What would make you think that way?
God is sovereign. He can create and make things look any way he wants. It is his universe, his world, and we are His creation. Who are we to point the finger at God and accuse him of deceit?

He created the world and the universe with an appearance of age. Those things are quite evident, and could not have been otherwise. How old was Adam one day after he was created? How old would he "appear" to be? Was God being deceptive because he looked more than one day old?
What about the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
The fruit of the tree of life?
We know that the fruits of both of these trees were beautiful and good to look upon. They were not seeds or even seedlings. They were full grown trees, created with an appearance of age. Was God deceiving anyone? No. It is his world; his creation.

 

[Deacon]

Serious indeed!

What scientists see is a uniquely crafted and designed appearance of great age.

God's general revelation crys out 'age'.

Rob

 

[annsni]

If God made the world seem to be older than it is (which must be the case for light to travel so far with the stars) then he's lying. And CS Lewis was right when he said that Jesus is either what he claimed to be or was a madman or the worst type of liar. He could not have been a good man. Only God or vile. God is lying to you by making the world look older or he is telling the principles of creation to the human race.

Umm, so Adam was a newborn when God created him? Eve too? I understand they were talking and walking - most likely an adult. Did God lie??

The trees were not seeds but full grown. The birds were flying so they were adult. Again, did God lie?

 

[joyce]

Could God Have Used Evolution

Thinkingstuff: Sorry, quite contrary to what you say, science backs up God's Word, and disproves evolution every time. The only reason evolution is taught in this nation is because it was pushed on us and not enough people have complained about the government (public school systems) teaching our children fables, Christian parents teach their children the truth at home and send them onto public school where they are taught evolution, and science itself disproves evolution itsself, and proves creation every time. The earth is not a million years old, it's a very young earth, science proves that. Ever hear of Kent Hovind? He had the Creation Science Museum located in Pensacola, Florida not far from here. I took my grandbabies there. Do you believe the Word of God to be truth in every detail? I know I do. Why would God lie? You expect me to believe that there was nothing, then there was a big bang and something came from nothing and that my ancestors were frogs and stuff? Nah, you can believe that if you want to; but, I know better. So do my grandchildren. The Bible says that everything was created by Him and for Him. That says enough for me. Go look at flowers and plants and things. I grow canna lilies and you'd be surprised how many different types there are. Am I to believe it was sheer accident that that pretty flower came into existance? I don't think so, only a supreme Being could have created such beautiful flowers. The atmosphere changed after Noah's flood. That is what caused man to not live as long, what killed the dinosaurs and so forth. That's in the Bible and it was a universal flood not a secluded one as some people would like to snow you into thinking it was not universal to float that evolution baloney right on by you. Science proves creation, not evolution, we just don't holler loud enough, or enough to make our government change their curriculums in the schools to teach creation instead of evolution.
YSIC
Joyce

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Thinkingstuff: Sorry, quite contrary to what you say, science backs up God's Word, and disproves evolution every time. The only reason evolution is taught in this nation is because it was pushed on us and not enough people have complained about the government (public school systems) teaching our children fables, Christian parents teach their children the truth at home and send them onto public school where they are taught evolution, and science itself disproves evolution itsself, and proves creation every time. The earth is not a million years old, it's a very young earth, science proves that. Ever hear of Kent Hovind? He had the Creation Science Museum located in Pensacola, Florida not far from here. I took my grandbabies there. Do you believe the Word of God to be truth in every detail? I know I do. Why would God lie? You expect me to believe that there was nothing, then there was a big bang and something came from nothing and that my ancestors were frogs and stuff? Nah, you can believe that if you want to; but, I know better. So do my grandchildren. The Bible says that everything was created by Him and for Him. That says enough for me. Go look at flowers and plants and things. I grow canna lilies and you'd be surprised how many different types there are. Am I to believe it was sheer accident that that pretty flower came into existance? I don't think so, only a supreme Being could have created such beautiful flowers. The atmosphere changed after Noah's flood. That is what caused man to not live as long, what killed the dinosaurs and so forth. That's in the Bible and it was a universal flood not a secluded one as some people would like to snow you into thinking it was not universal to float that evolution baloney right on by you. Science proves creation, not evolution, we just don't holler loud enough, or enough to make our government change their curriculums in the schools to teach creation instead of evolution.
YSIC
Joyce

That is whats disputed. How can the earth only be between 6 and 7 thousand years old? Light travels only at the....speed of light or 299 792 458 m / s (meters per second) So if the earth were young then light from the distant stars should not be seen in the night sky. but they are. Geological surveys and carbon dating testing shows that the earth is older than 7,000 years old. The period of time for organic matter to turn into coal and into a diamond takes a long time more than the 7,000 years than the creationist think it is. This is just stuff off my head which puts to question any verasity of a young earth theory. For God to put Dinosaurs in the ground or to change radiant half lives to reflect and older earth is only deception. To say that God's purpose is to decieve is by definition a contradiction.

 

[annsni]

That is whats disputed. How can the earth only be between 6 and 7 thousand years old? Light travels only at the....speed of light or 299 792 458 m / s (meters per second) So if the earth were young then light from the distant stars should not be seen in the night sky. but they are. Geological surveys and carbon dating testing shows that the earth is older than 7,000 years old. The period of time for organic matter to turn into coal and into a diamond takes a long time more than the 7,000 years than the creationist think it is. This is just stuff off my head which puts to question any verasity of a young earth theory. For God to put Dinosaurs in the ground or to change radiant half lives to reflect and older earth is only deception. To say that God's purpose is to decieve is by definition a contradiction.

So God cannot make things with an age - for His own purpose? Science says it took that diamond millions of years to form - and we believe them over God doing it because God cannot make a diamond right from the start? God cannot place light wherever He wants? God, who created light before the stars is incapable of doing such? Wow - that's a pretty small god.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

So God cannot make things with an age - for His own purpose? Science says it took that diamond millions of years to form - and we believe them over God doing it because God cannot make a diamond right from the start? God cannot place light wherever He wants? God, who created light before the stars is incapable of doing such? Wow - that's a pretty small god.

No he's not. He's greater than a literal interpretation of the Genesis account. Think about it this way. Jesus was baptised. Why? Well, he said to fulfill all righteousness. God established the order he has no need to go against that order or method. He established that order such as the rotation of the earth to set the day. Thats how he made it. So since the sun moon and stars were not supposedly even created until the 4th day you cannot judge a day as 24 hours because that is entirely based on the rotation of the earth. Mars has a 24 hour 17 minute day because its rotation is different. why would God need to artificially create 24 days before the sun and the stars it seems ludicrous. Not scientific either.

 

[annsni]

The Hebrew term "day" in Genesis means a literal 24 hour day. God told us that. I do not doubt God's Word. It's not figurative language. It's not a metaphor. It's not even an outline. All of Genesis is a narrative and by doubting that, it's doubting the truthfulness of God, IMO.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

The Hebrew term "day" in Genesis means a literal 24 hour day. God told us that. I do not doubt God's Word. It's not figurative language. It's not a metaphor. It's not even an outline. All of Genesis is a narrative and by doubting that, it's doubting the truthfulness of God, IMO.

Ha! It also means Eon. Same word two meanings. Believing that God created the world to give the "apperance of age" is to believe God is deceptive.

 

[annsni]

Ha! It also means Eon. Same word two meanings. Believing that God created the world to give the "apperance of age" is to believe God is deceptive.

Ha! Can you show me where in Scripture the Hebrew word "yowm" is paired with a number (first day, second day, etc.) and it means "eon"?

Then God was deceptive in creating Adam. Why can you not see that if He created Adam with age, the trees with age, the animals with age, that He could not create the earth with age. God was not deceptive. He did not say that He created anything as brand new.

 

[joyce]

Could God Have Used Evolution

Thinkstuff: carbon dating and the methods they used to derive at the answers is not correct and they know it, they have just been snowing everyone with that. First off, look at the beginning of Genesis the part people usually skim over, the begots part. Notice how old those people were? Ever wonder why? Could you think possibly that it could have been the atmosphere? I think so, and so do scientific scientists, not scientists messing with data to try and prove evolution or that the earth is a million years old when it obviously isn't. Look at dinosaurs, they are extinct now right? Why? Because of the atmospheric change. What caused it? Universal flood in Noahs' day. When God opened up the skies and caused springs on the earth to cause a universal flood the atmosphere changed. Man didn't live nearly as long, and the dinosaurs couldn't breathe. Scientists have proven that all these valleys and such that were caused over many millions of years are actually only thousands when the flood is entered into the equation.

Last, but not least, I'm not a scientist, it was my worst subject in high school let alone college; but, I'm a Bible believing Baptist, who believes that the Word of God is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I really think it takes more faith to believe that there was nothing and then bang something came from nothing than it does to believe in a Supreme Being. I also don't question God, if He says something, it's right, if man says the opposite man is wrong period, no questions asked on my part. I don't go read something in the Word and think "oh, He couldn't have meant that"; for I know He says what He means and means what He says, man is the dope here. LOL

I'm hoping one who has some scientific background will come forward and explain the a few scientific laws that evolutionists bend to try and prove their theory. Laws like the Law of anthropy, don't know if I spelled that right or not and of course a few others. The Science Laws themselves debunk evolution. Problem is our government is not being run by the people and for the people any longer. It's being run by organizations such as the ACLU which is led by none other than satan, and a bunch of people that are in this world and of this world, their father is satan, not God, we are in this world but not of this world, our home is not here, this is just a temporary thing here. Please don't say I don't love my country either, I served in the US military, so that's not true, but I have also read the end of my Bible too. I know what it says, it says all nations will gather together to take out nation Israel, it doesn't say all nations except the good ole US of A does it? When it comes down to where I pledge my allegiance first to, it's to Him; my country has to take a second place somewheres.
YSIC
Joyce