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Could jesus had Actually Sinned, as Adam chose to DO?
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To be tested or tempted to sin requires the ability to see the attraction being offered. Jesus certainly was tempted by Satan to use His power for comfort and security. Our flesh tempts us think and do things to provide material wealth (the flesh reacts to pain) and seek comfort, like a cat on the hearth.
So Jesus provides a striking example that although we are predisposed to sin, and unable not to sin, we can choose to be as Christ-like as possible and minimize our sins of volition. Jesus dwelt in God's word, and when tempted, used scripture to support choosing not to sin. Good example, me thinks.
So Jesus provides a striking example that although we are predisposed to sin, and unable not to sin, we can choose to be as Christ-like as possible and minimize our sins of volition. Jesus dwelt in God's word, and when tempted, used scripture to support choosing not to sin. Good example, me thinks.
HisWitness
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NO way could jesus sin- He was NOT like us in the fact he was in fact fully Man/God and we were just mere Man.
He WAS like us in the fact that as a Man he suffered as a man and was tempted in all aspects as a man--BUT he was GOD who could NOT sin--he was Holy --
Mere Man is corrupt in his ways and his heart is wicked from his youth God said.
Man/God--The aspect of being Fully GOD in flesh--His ways are ALL Righteous and his heart is Totally Righteous and Holy and Good and desirest that that is Righteous and Good--even as he has done and will do for eternity .
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So are you saying that Adam was corrupt before his fall?
DrJamesAch
New Member
If you want to study this, study the impeccability and peccability views.
Col 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
2 Cor 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
There's a lot more but passed bedtime.
HisWitness
New Member
James 1:13 say God cannot be tempted with evil (or evil things). Yet Jesus was tempted, Hebrews 2:18; 4:15. Do we need to seek refuge in God incarnate cannot be tempted, but Jesus, the man was tempted to resolve the paradox?
Maybe? In Matthew 4:1-11 we see Jesus was tempted by Satan to use His power for His own benefit, i.e. Jesus was hungry and Satan said turn these rocks into bread. Jesus answered with scripture, i.e. that would be inconsistent with scripture, which we are to live by. Are we tempted to pick and choose which scriptures to follow? Next, Jesus was asked to do something (throw Himself off a high cliff) because scripture says angels will save Him, but Jesus answers with more scripture that we should not put God to the text, i.e. do something that requires God's intervention to have a good result. Finally Jesus is asked to worship Satan to get a reward of kingdoms and glory. How many times are we tempted to hang on to the treasures of this world, rather than follow Christ into suffering for His namesake? Scripture is clear, we are to serve Christ only.
Jesus, because He was fully man, understands all of our temptations, He felt the pull of fleshly desires for comfort and security and glory. But being the Son of God, He did not give in to these temptations, but sought refuge in God's word and His love and devotion to God our Father.
Maybe? In Matthew 4:1-11 we see Jesus was tempted by Satan to use His power for His own benefit, i.e. Jesus was hungry and Satan said turn these rocks into bread. Jesus answered with scripture, i.e. that would be inconsistent with scripture, which we are to live by. Are we tempted to pick and choose which scriptures to follow? Next, Jesus was asked to do something (throw Himself off a high cliff) because scripture says angels will save Him, but Jesus answers with more scripture that we should not put God to the text, i.e. do something that requires God's intervention to have a good result. Finally Jesus is asked to worship Satan to get a reward of kingdoms and glory. How many times are we tempted to hang on to the treasures of this world, rather than follow Christ into suffering for His namesake? Scripture is clear, we are to serve Christ only.
Jesus, because He was fully man, understands all of our temptations, He felt the pull of fleshly desires for comfort and security and glory. But being the Son of God, He did not give in to these temptations, but sought refuge in God's word and His love and devotion to God our Father.
preacher4truth
Active Member
So Christ had a human nature? The flesh or human nature so called in Scripture speaks of a bad and corrupt nature.
So was this human nature in Christ also corrupt? If so Christ Himself would also be corrupt in His human nature. Such is a ridiculous assessment on your part.
You say that Jesus could have sinned due to this human nature and make a fallacious parallel between the human nature of Adam and Christ.
So you're saying that in affect then Christ also must have had a corrupt nature, yet chose not to sin. I see no such Christ within Scripture.
Christ was without blemish in all His nature. This being without blemish means in ALL His being. It is impossible for God to lie, and it is impossible for God to sin. You are in grave error Salty.
In the short time I've been on board I've seen a whole lot of redundancy.
Christ was impeccable. He could not have sinned.
preacher4truth
Active Member
The only place I've 'met' a 'Baptist' who believes Christ could sin is on BB.
When I mention this belief in Baptist churches they've never heard of such a 'Baptist'. Typically they gasp at some of the teachings alleged 'Baptists' here hold to.
The perplexing thing is that within the theologies of those who espouse these things is that Christ is brought down to a low level and man is propped upon a pedestal of ability and inherent goodness.
The Romans 3 indictment upon all of mankind is rejected, i.e. the extent of sin upon mankind is weakened and doesn't indict all but only some.
Then we end up with those who believe they were not under Romans 5:6, that they were not hostile and enemies in their minds toward God, they reject they were 'like the rest' of Eph. 2:4, and tout that they were a person always seeking God, doing good and that they have always loved God.
When I mention this belief in Baptist churches they've never heard of such a 'Baptist'. Typically they gasp at some of the teachings alleged 'Baptists' here hold to.
The perplexing thing is that within the theologies of those who espouse these things is that Christ is brought down to a low level and man is propped upon a pedestal of ability and inherent goodness.
The Romans 3 indictment upon all of mankind is rejected, i.e. the extent of sin upon mankind is weakened and doesn't indict all but only some.
Then we end up with those who believe they were not under Romans 5:6, that they were not hostile and enemies in their minds toward God, they reject they were 'like the rest' of Eph. 2:4, and tout that they were a person always seeking God, doing good and that they have always loved God.
In light of this thread I would like someone to explain this verse where it says that Jesus could have chosen right and wrong...
Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
Isaiah 7:15: "He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right." Isaiah 7:16: "But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste."
Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
Isaiah 7:15: "He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right." Isaiah 7:16: "But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste."
Tom Bryant
Well-Known Member
Since Jesus was God, He could not sin.
preacher4truth
Active Member
I wouldn't 'entertain' that thought too long.
Of course He was tempted. There was no darkness in Him that could allow temptation to cause Him to want to commit sin. There was no lust of the flesh within Christ to sin. He is and always has been impeccable and without blemish in all of His being.
The failure belonged to Satan in his tempting, not in the Christ to whom he failed in tempting.
Robert Snow
New Member
Very well put!
If He did not have the capability to submit to it, is it really temptation? I might be wrong, but if an "inner darkness" is required, does that mean Adam and Eve had this before they actually sinned?
Not arguing a point, for presently I can see the validity of both opinions.
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preacher4truth
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Opinions? Yours is opinion, the other side is the Word.
I'd guess that any answer given would be rejected by you. You believe Christ could sin obviously. No one on this planet could possibly convince you otherwise. It would take One outside of this to do so.
I don't know how long you've been saved but you seriously misunderstand the nature of Christ here.