Could someone tell me why the cops are holding back?

[righteousdude2]

I remember the Watts riots, and do not remember the police being so RESTRAINED as violent crime and vandalism is unleashed in city after city across the US.

Is it the fear of making the public more anger prone and vindictive? Is it political fear of repercussions for strong arm police tactics? Is it just being to accommodating to blacks and anarchists trying to cause wider spread chaos?

I'd like some answers, because while our cities burn, our politico's are playing their fiddles.

I can promise these young anarchists one thing ... if you think the "pohlice" are out of control and murderous, just wait until martial law is declared and the military takes over. You will get one warning shot over the bow of your angry brow, then bullets will fly. :tear:

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I remember the Watts riots, and do not remember the police being so RESTRAINED as violent crime and vandalism is unleashed in city after city across the US.

Is it the fear of making the public more anger prone and vindictive? Is it political fear of repercussions for strong arm police tactics? Is it just being to accommodating to blacks and anarchists trying to cause wider spread chaos?

I'd like some answers, because while our cities burn, our politico's are playing their fiddles.

I can promise these young anarchists one thing ... if you think the "pohlice" are out of control and murderous, just wait until martial law is declared and the military takes over. You will get one warning shot over the bow of your angry brow, then bullets will fly. :tear:

If I was the police chief, those officers who turned and ran from the pack throwing rocks would be fired.

If they were my men, I would have told them, "You have a baton and a shield. You will use them both and you will come back with your shield or on it."

I would have gone all Frank Rizzo on them and sent in the Berserkers to put a stop to it posthaste.

 

[Zaac]

I remember the Watts riots, and do not remember the police being so RESTRAINED as violent crime and vandalism is unleashed in city after city across the US.

Is it the fear of making the public more anger prone and vindictive? Is it political fear of repercussions for strong arm police tactics? Is it just being to accommodating to blacks and anarchists trying to cause wider spread chaos?

I'd like some answers, because while our cities burn, our politico's are playing their fiddles.

I can promise these young anarchists one thing ... if you think the "pohlice" are out of control and murderous, just wait until martial law is declared and the military takes over. You will get one warning shot over the bow of your angry brow, then bullets will fly. :tear:

I think they are exercising restraint at the request of the mayor. She does not want a repeat of what took place in Ferguson. And she is smart to not want that on her watch. Considering the current state about police brutality, the last thing that needs to be viewed around the world is more video of police officers firing upon or beating ANYONE.

She has to balance protecting property against protecting life. Property can be replaced.

 

[Zaac]

If I was the police chief, those officers who turned and ran from the pack throwing rocks would be fired.

If they were my men, I would have told them, "You have a baton and a shield. You will use them both and you will come back with your shield or on it."

Restraint was a wonderful idea because again, why do something that's going to be plastered on the front page of every paper and media outlet nationally and internationally?

Remember Bloody Sunday?

Let them throw their rocks. The situation could quickly escalate if the officers start beating or shooting people. The Police Chief nor the Mayor want that.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Restraint was a wonderful idea because again, why do something that's going to be plastered on the front page of every paper and media outlet nationally and internationally?

There is restraint and there is cowardice.

Running away is not restraint.

The story is already on the front page precisely because the police allowed the situation to escalate.

Let them throw their rocks. The situation could quickly escalate if the officers start beating or shooting people.

Then I would respond to the escalation in kind.

Sorry, but I don't believe in coddling thugs and criminals.

 

[righteousdude2]

I think they are exercising restraint at the request of the mayor.

She's also black. The Chief is black. The US AG is black. And the POTUS is black. Maybe that has something to do with all the restraint, our could it be black privilege bleeding through the curtains of Oz?

 

[Zaac]

There is restraint and there is cowardice.

Running away is not restraint.

The situation is under control. The NG is coming in as are 5000 additional police officers.

Cowardice is what the police officers had been previously doing in abusing their authority. Showing restraint is the most honorable thing that we've seen out of the police in a long time.

The story is already on the front page precisely because the police allowed the situation to escalate.

The situation was going to happen and perhaps needed to happen to start some national dialog with folks who traditionally don't listen.

What sense would it make to have cops using force when they didn't have to? That's in part what the peaceful protest was about.

Then I would respond to the escalation in kind.

Sorry, but I don't believe in coddling thugs and criminals.

Perhaps the mayor is trying to change the image of the police in her city?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

She's also black. The Chief is black. The US AG is black. And the POTUS is black. Maybe that has something to do with all the restraint, our could it be black privilege bleeding through the curtains of Oz?

And, here we go...

Wonder how long it will take Zaac to get this thread closed down, too.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

The situation is under control. The NG is coming in as are 5000 additional police officers.

Fifteen injured police officers, dozens of fires, more than 100 stores looted and cars burned...

Yeah, sounds like it was under control.

Showing restraint is the most honorable thing that we've seen out of the police in a long time.

Running away and doing nothing is not showing restraint.

The situation was going to happen and perhaps needed to happen to start some national dialog with folks who traditionally don't listen.

No, all it's done is make people say, "The blacks are at it again".

For all of your whining about racism and "white privilege", you fail to realize that the chief cause of disdain for black people is the behavior of black people.

What sense would it make to have cops using force when they didn't have to?

But they did have to. If they had, then you wouldn't have had the fires, the looting, etc.

If nothing else, a fire hose would have gone a long way in breaking up the mobs.

Perhaps the mayor is trying to change the image of the police in her city?

Well, she has certainly done that.

 

[Zaac]

She's also black. The Chief is black. The US AG is black. And the POTUS is black. Maybe that has something to do with all the restraint, our could it be black privilege bleeding through the curtains of Oz?

So by what you're saying, all of the wrongs against Blacks for the last 400 years can be attributed to the Whites who were in power. After all , we've had nothing but white Presidents and white AGs. For almost 200 years, Baltimore had nothing but white mayors. For almost 200 years Baltimore had nothing but white police commissioners.

Maybe it was all that white privilege that brought the Baltimore residents tot this point.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

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[Zaac]

And, here we go...

Wonder how long it will take Zaac to get this thread closed down, too.

SO he makes a stupid statement and I'M somehow responsible for getting the thread shut down?

I think yall got some head issues.

As I've said before, if folks would stop making such foolish statements, I wouldn't need to respond. Yet as you so eloquently example, privilege always tries to blame the ones who are either dead as the result of their privilege or the ones who oppose the foolishness bred by privilege.

So keep my name off your fingertips if you're not going to correct the one who started with the dumb statement.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

SO he makes a stupid statement....So keep my name off your fingertips if you're not going to correct the one who started with the dumb statement.

...says the guy who just said "After all, we've had nothing but white Presidents and white AGs".

 

[Zaac]

Fifteen injured police officers, dozens of fires, more than 100 stores looted and cars burned...

Yeah, sounds like it was under control.

It was. Baltimore is a city of 600,000 people. If the police had started shooting or beating people, you would have really seen out of control.

Running away and doing nothing is not showing restraint.

Sure it is.

No, all it's done is make people say, "The blacks are at it again".

That's all it's made white people say. There are plenty of Blacks who completely understand why what is happening in Baltimore is happening.

For all of your whining about racism and "white privilege", you fail to realize that the chief cause of disdain for black people is the behavior of black people.

And for all of your whining about my whining, you fail to realize that the chief cause of disdain of white cops and the white privileged is the behavior of the white cops and the white privileged.

But they did have to. If they had, then you wouldn't have had the fires, the looting, etc.

Then you would had something else. Property can be replaced.

If nothing else, a fire hose would have gone a long way in breaking up the mobs.

Right because that would really play well for the national and international media. Let's treat them like the animals that they say the white privileged already believe them to be.

The mayor may not agree with their methods , but I believe that she , as a black woman completely understands why they feel the need to complain. So hopefully that will continue to curtail her to not treat them the same way that the racially prejudiced and racist white privileged would.

Well, she has certainly done that.

As I said. She is a black woman in an historical position and an historical time . She seems to have enough sense to not be pressured into treating other Blacks as the animals that some Whites think they are.

 

[just-want-peace]

After hearing the comments of "HER HONOR(??)", I'm totally convinced that the police were given high echelon orders to "STAND DOWN"; after all, she gave the "destructive" element a "carte blanc' " go-ahead to do their thing.

The first line of my sig line says it all - if it's not obvious to you now, it never will be - until it's far too late to remedy.

These looters should have been given a warning to disperse, & then warning shots over their head, then "fire for effect", if they refused to obey the police orders.

Wouldn't take more than a couple of such episodes that the jack-a$$ crowd would decide that those cigarettes/Old Turkey/microwave/whatever were not worth the risk.

If the liberals had been confronted like they SHOULD have been back in the 60's, situations like this would not exist today.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

It was. Baltimore is a city of 600,000 people. If the police had started shooting or beating people, you would have really seen out of control.

Why? Is everybody in Baltimore a criminal?

Sure it is.

No, it isn't. Restraint is the control of force. It is self discipline. Running away is cowardice.

That's all it's made white people say. There are plenty of Blacks who completely understand why what is happening in Baltimore is happening.

They may understand why it's happening, but they don't understand that they're alienating people who might otherwise be sympathetic to their alleged cause.

And for all of your whining about my whining

Actually, I haven't whined about it at all. I just made the same observation several other posters have made.

you fail to realize that the chief cause of disdain of white cops and the white privileged is the behavior of the white cops and the white privileged.

First of all, not all cops are white.

Second, I take it you've never read my posts. I've been a very vocal and consistent critic of the police.

Then you would had something else. Property can be replaced.

But it shouldn't have to be replaced. People have a right to be safe and for their property to be protected.

Right because that would really play well for the national and international media.

Who cares how it plays? Is the point to protect the city and uphold the law? Or to look nice for the cameras?

Let's treat them like the animals that they say the white privileged already believe them to be.

Agreed. If they're going to act like animals, then let's treat them like animals.

The mayor may not agree with their methods , but I believe that she , as a black woman completely understands why they feel the need to complain.

Looting, setting fires, assaulting police is not "complaining".

As I said. She is a black woman in an historical position and an historical time. She seems to have enough sense to not be pressured into treating other Blacks as the animals that some Whites think they are.

So, should any black person ever be arrested for anything?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

After hearing the comments of "HER HONOR(??)", I'm totally convinced that the police were given high echelon orders to "STAND DOWN"; after all, she gave the "destructive" element a "carte blanc' " go-ahead to do their thing.

When John Street became mayor of Philadelphia, he famously said, "The brothers are running this city now!"

I believe that's what we're seeing now.

 

[OldRegular]

I remember the Watts riots, and do not remember the police being so RESTRAINED as violent crime and vandalism is unleashed in city after city across the US.

Is it the fear of making the public more anger prone and vindictive? Is it political fear of repercussions for strong arm police tactics? Is it just being to accommodating to blacks and anarchists trying to cause wider spread chaos?

I'd like some answers, because while our cities burn, our politico's are playing their fiddles.

I can promise these young anarchists one thing ... if you think the "pohlice" are out of control and murderous, just wait until martial law is declared and the military takes over. You will get one warning shot over the bow of your angry brow, then bullets will fly. :tear:

They were apparently restrained by the lady mayor of Baltimore or so they told reporters. Her initial comments were as follows:

But over the weekend, Rawlings-Blake made what some saw as inflammatory remarks as she described how she had instructed police to give residents protesting the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody the opportunity to exercise their right to free speech.

She seemed to take that notion a step further: “It’s a very delicate balancing act, because, while we tried to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well.

“And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to deescalate, and that’s what you saw.”

As her “destroy” remarks faced a buzzsaw of criticism amid the riots Monday, the mayor initially tried to deny she said them.

http://www.fox5krbk.com/baltimore-mayor-under-fire-over-destroy-remarks-response-to-riots/

That Sheriff from Wisconsin has really put the finger on the officials in Baltimore for what was allowed to happen there. I am sure some on this BB call him an Oreo!

 

[OldRegular]

When John Street became mayor of Philadelphia, he famously said, "The brothers are running this city now!"

I believe that's what we're seeing now.

And look what the brothers did to Detroit!

 

[ShagNappy]

If I was the police chief, those officers who turned and ran from the pack throwing rocks would be fired.

For the record, the commanding officers, and the Chief, gave the command to fall back. The officers did not turn and flee. Some of them, during the initial violence yesterday at the mall, were being physically dragged back by the white shirted commanders. The only ones running were the ones who turned around and found they had been abandoned by their comrades and were alone facing a sea of violence.

Some officers were throwing down their shields and throwing rocks and bottles at the teen rioters. Maybe that was the problem that caused the commanders to pull them back. They were not much better than those rioting.