Court reverses spanking ruling, ends family's nightmare

[tinytim]

No wonder violence gets worse as time goes on. Most of these people who say you should not spank a child, don't even have any children in the first place.

If your child knows that you will spank him or her, that usually is enough to cause them to be obeident, without a spanking. If your child knows you are going to say "honey don't do that", they probably will give you the finger. (excuse the plain language)

My wife taught school for over 30 years and would have taught longer, except for the fact they took all decipline away from the teachers.

We give away our land, our rights and even the right to raise our children to be good people. Amazing what we have done to ourselves!!!

BBob,

:applause: That's why our country is going to get what we deserve...

A pansy liberal.

 

[sag38]

It never ceases to amaze me at the stupidity of some when it comes to spanking a child. Thank goodness some courts still have some sense. But with the direction we are headed in this country it won't last long. God help us when the dem's are in control of all branches of government. Spanking bans will be the least of our worries.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

It never ceases to amaze me at the stupidity of some when it comes to spanking a child. Thank goodness some courts still have some sense. But with the direction we are headed in this country it won't last long. God help us when the dem's are in control of all branches of government. Spanking bans will be the least of our worries.

Yes. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile!

 

[tinytim]

I won't be assimulated... Be ye seperate.

 

[gb93433]

You cannot teach not violence by using violence.

A little fear goes a long ways. Some children never learn that and spend their rebellion in prison.

The Hebrew word for child means rebellious one.

Americans have some of the largest jails in the world. They also have some of the highest crime rates of any country.

 

[jdlongmire]

I am a spanker - canoe paddle with handle sawed off - 36 seems excessive - I normally give one or 2 licks, at the most, and VERY rarely. 11 and 13 year old - boy and girl. I have found consistancy, discussion and reasonableness very effective.

We walk through the series of events that brought us to the spanking and what we could have done to avoid it.

 

[Revmitchell]

Spanking is not violence.

Thats right!:thumbs:

 

[Jon-Marc]

I agree that 36 hits with anything goes beyond spanking to abuse. My dad's discipline was a severe beating across the back of the legs that left me barely able to hobble to my bedroom to cry my eyes out.

 

[faithgirl46]

Can you teach that locking a child up in a small room and only allowing him out for one hour a day is wrong by locking someone up in a small room and only allowing him out for one hour a day?

Obviously, your argument is bankrupt. It simply doesn't work.

But in any case, spanking isn't violent.

When a child is disicplined by a ballistic parent it is.
Faithgirl

 

[hillclimber1]

I agree that 36 hits with anything goes beyond spanking to abuse. My dad's discipline was a severe beating across the back of the legs that left me barely able to hobble to my bedroom to cry my eyes out.

Now that, i would consider abuse....

jdlongmire I am a spanker - canoe paddle with handle sawed off - 36 seems excessive - I normally give one or 2 licks, at the most, and VERY rarely. 11 and 13 year old - boy and girl. I have found consistancy, discussion and reasonableness very effective. We walk through the series of events that brought us to the spanking and what we could have done to avoid it.

And that, I consider reasonable....The "rod" or hand, which stands for "the price to be paid" is the final result of disobedience or rebellion. But if that response is not on the table, what price is to be paid? We have 2 daughters, that I can't ever remember spanking, but they knew, by watching our responses to rebellion or disobedience, in their siblings, that justice would involve pain.....

 

[annsni]

So you had better follow the Bible to the letter.

From Deuteronomy
21:18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear

Understand that the initial Scriptures listed is from Proverbs - wisdom words for us. There are no directions but a general idea - that spanking is an effective form of discipline and approved by God.

The Scriptures listed above is part of the law that was given to the Israelites. Since we are not under the law, we are not to follow the civil law that was established for the Jews.


Personally, I think 36 swats with an object on a 12 year old IS abuse. There is no reason to spank a child that much AND by 12 years old, there should pretty much be no reason to spank if the parents had done the proper job to begin with. I don't spank my babies as some "Christian parenting experts" say to (and I seriously use that term loosely), but I do spank my children from about toddlerhood to whenever it is no longer needed. My little ones are now 5 and 7 and spankings are extremely rare because I know that they are big enough to understand consequences now and we've laid a foundation where they know what is right and wrong and usually choose wisely.

I don't think the ONLY reason we have rebellious teenagers (someone mentioned this) is because of a lack of discipline, although I do think it's a large part of it. I see rebellious teenagers because of parents who have been so hands-off with their children through their entire lives. These are kids who don't have the love, support and nurturing from their parents for whatever reason (broken homes is a big one - mom needs to work and is exhausted when she gets home and so cannot "feed" into her kids like she should), and so they just don't have that connection that is so important as a teen.

So spanking is only one part of the discipline equation IMO. Discipleship is as important - or even MORE important than spanking and I do feel it's possible to raise a child in the nurture and admonition of the Lord without spanking but not without discipleship.

 

[Joe]

Understand that the initial Scriptures listed is from Proverbs - wisdom words for us. There are no directions but a general idea - that spanking is an effective form of discipline and approved by God.

The Scriptures listed above is part of the law that was given to the Israelites. Since we are not under the law, we are not to follow the civil law that was established for the Jews.


Personally, I think 36 swats with an object on a 12 year old IS abuse. There is no reason to spank a child that much AND by 12 years old, there should pretty much be no reason to spank if the parents had done the proper job to begin with. I don't spank my babies as some "Christian parenting experts" say to (and I seriously use that term loosely), but I do spank my children from about toddlerhood to whenever it is no longer needed. My little ones are now 5 and 7 and spankings are extremely rare because I know that they are big enough to understand consequences now and we've laid a foundation where they know what is right and wrong and usually choose wisely.

I don't think the ONLY reason we have rebellious teenagers (someone mentioned this) is because of a lack of discipline, although I do think it's a large part of it. I see rebellious teenagers because of parents who have been so hands-off with their children through their entire lives. These are kids who don't have the love, support and nurturing from their parents for whatever reason (broken homes is a big one - mom needs to work and is exhausted when she gets home and so cannot "feed" into her kids like she should), and so they just don't have that connection that is so important as a teen.

So spanking is only one part of the discipline equation IMO. Discipleship is as important - or even MORE important than spanking and I do feel it's possible to raise a child in the nurture and admonition of the Lord without spanking but not without discipleship.

Excellent post

 

[tinytim]

Yes, Great Post Annsni!