Covenant Households 2 the flood and beyond

[percho]

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Yes, Jesus died a Covenant death for His sheep, His people, The Israel of God,THE CHURCH, The elect,The Beloved,The saints,...they and they only receive the saving love of God in salvation.They alone repent and believe
in Jesus Christ as Lord.Jesus seeks and saves His sheep.He finds everyone of them.

You and I agree that it is his sheep that will sit down in the kingdom of God with him. Now I'm not asking for literal numbers but because that is the only way we might can understand it let's use percent. Jesus also said we will sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of God. What percent of mankind that lived between Adam and Moses do you guess will sit down in the kingdom? What about between Moses and Jesus? What percent do you think Jesus has chosen as sheep from his resurrection til now that will sit down in the kingdom?

To make it a little more simple, for each period over or under 50%?

I do not know if they met but I think Noah and Abraham had some years of life at the same time. What think you? You to Allen?

 

[Iconoclast]

Percho

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

there is alot of stars,and alot of sand by the sea.
Personally I think we might still be the "early church" with multitudes more to come in. What if Jesus does not return for thousands of years?

The wicked will no longer come to mind....the redeemed will praise the Lord eternally. I do not think I could put a number on it because it will be so large. God has elected a multitude in Christ.

 

[Allan]

What if Jesus does not return for thousands of years?

I think a better question is - What if He does?
It brings the question Jesus asked His disciples to greater clarity..
When the Son of Man returns to earth, will He find faith? (or better faithfulness).

The point of the doctrine of His return is that we, like the engaged bride-to-be, to be always looking as if today was the day of His return, no matter how much time we might or might not have. Or as scripture puts it.. Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ!

 

[percho]

Percho


there is alot of stars,and alot of sand by the sea.
Personally I think we might still be the "early church" with multitudes more to come in. What if Jesus does not return for thousands of years?

The wicked will no longer come to mind....the redeemed will praise the Lord eternally. I do not think I could put a number on it because it will be so large. God has elected a multitude in Christ.

That's almost as many as this:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Especially when taken in context with this:

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Iconoclast]

I think a better question is - What if He does?
It brings the question Jesus asked His disciples to greater clarity..
When the Son of Man returns to earth, will He find faith? (or better faithfulness).

The point of the doctrine of His return is that we, like the engaged bride-to-be, to be always looking as if today was the day of His return, no matter how much time we might or might not have. Or as scripture puts it.. Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ!

Allan,
If the pre-mill idea is the truth of scripture I would be fine with that....as you would be fine with the post/amill kingdom.

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; e

those in Peters day were instructed to pursue holiness of life in any case.

The other positions account for the verses offered lk18:4 and this passage.

Let me ask you a question Allan....have you ever considered this passage at the end of psalm 22....where do you fit this into your timeline?

27All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. 28For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations. 29All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

30A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

When do you see this as happening? I see this as the gospel going worldwide now..extending the Kingdom,now.
Do you see this as after a pre-trib rapture.......during a literal thousand yr reign.....before the rebellion at the end of the literal reign?

 

[Iconoclast]

1Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

2Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;

3For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

The gentiles and their descendants coming in faith were always part of God's plan.....not a mystery. The mystery was they would come in on equal footing with the jew...one new man In Christ.

5For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. 6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved

20And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

21As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

3And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

 

[menageriekeeper]

Hello again!

After a busy couple of weeks I am ready to go on with this conversation.

Something I haven't seen discussed thus far:

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Would this be an example of a covenant God makes with Himself albeit one that benefits us humans? (a ground rule of sorts in how God deals with mankind) Or is this a covenant with all mankind?

Percho asked if Noah and Abram lived during the same time period. My big "Time Chart of Biblical History" (copyright 2002 by Third Millennium Trust) shows that Noah was possibly alive during Abram's very early (like age 3 and under) childhood. Interestingly enough, Shem apparantly lived long enough to see the birth of Jacob and Esau!

Preaching is not PRIMARILY for souls or salvation.

Preaching is PRIMARILY for the glory of God. We preach for God, not for men.

Luke, can you expand scripturally on this idea? How does preaching glorify God if the results don't include the salvation of man?

 

[Iconoclast]

Hello again!

After a busy couple of weeks I am ready to go on with this conversation.

Something I haven't seen discussed thus far:

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Would this be an example of a covenant God makes with Himself albeit one that benefits us humans? (a ground rule of sorts in how God deals with mankind) Or is this a covenant with all mankind?

Percho asked if Noah and Abram lived during the same time period. My big "Time Chart of Biblical History" (copyright 2002 by Third Millennium Trust) shows that Noah was possibly alive during Abram's very early (like age 3 and under) childhood. Interestingly enough, Shem apparantly lived long enough to see the birth of Jacob and Esau!



Luke, can you expand scripturally on this idea? How does preaching glorify God if the results don't include the salvation of man?

hello MK....

And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. [/COLOR]
Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Mk This is God making this covenant with all mankind after the flood.
this is not about salvation as the covenant of redemption was...but this is about God not destroying the earth by flood anymore.

11And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

12And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

13I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

14And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

15And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

16And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

17And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.