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Covenant Theology Or Dispensational?

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SynodOfDort

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Earth said:
But does not this "Dispyness" LOL, color your prospective on any number of things going on in the world today.....the obvious one being how you see Israel.
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Good point. :thumbsup: A cookie cutter dispensationalism is difficult to reconcile with a postmil view of Israel. That is why I took O. Palmer Robinson's Christ of the Covenants and systematically whited-out every use of "covenant" and replaced it with "dispensation". For here on out, I will always refer to O.P. Robinson's Christ of the Dispensations to reconcile "dispensationalism" and Post-millenialism. Now to convince my pastor... ;)
 
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SynodOfDort said:
Good point. :thumbsup: A cookie cutter dispensationalism is difficult to reconcile with a postmil view of Israel. That is why I took O. Palmer Robinson's Christ of the Covenants and systematically whited-out every use of "covenant" and replaced it with "dispensation". For here on out, I will always refer to O.P. Robinson's Christ of the Dispensations to reconcile "dispensationalism" and Post-millenialism. Now to convince my pastor... ;)
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aware of classic Dispy, as Scofield held to and progressive views, are you advocating a third way now to se it?
 
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SynodOfDort said:
Good point. :thumbsup: A cookie cutter dispensationalism is difficult to reconcile with a postmil view of Israel. That is why I took O. Palmer Robinson's Christ of the Covenants and systematically whited-out every use of "covenant" and replaced it with "dispensation". For here on out, I will always refer to O.P. Robinson's Christ of the Dispensations to reconcile "dispensationalism" and Post-millenialism. Now to convince my pastor... ;)
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Wont your pastor just "Pastorise " you? Then at least you will have a exploration date. You wiill be systematiced! Then he can produce some cheese from you. You will be the gift that keeps on giving.....maybe cheese o the month.:laugh:
 
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I hold to Baptist Covenant Theology (not New Covenant Theology) in addition to the Doctrines of Grace. Two of our three elders also hold to Baptist Covenant Theology. The third is a Dispensationalist. Our congregation is split on the issue.
 
Greektim

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Anyone know why this is in the Calvie/Armie debate thread? This really has nothing to do w/ soteriology of Calvinism or Arminianism. I know Calvie Dispos and Arminian Covenanters.
 
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Greektim said:
Anyone know why this is in the Calvie/Armie debate thread? This really has nothing to do w/ soteriology of Calvinism or Arminianism. I know Calvie Dispos and Arminian Covenanters.
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maybe the assumption is that arminians are dispy, while calvinists are Covenant?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
aware of classic Dispy, as Scofield held to and progressive views, are you advocating a third way now to se it?
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Actually, I was really more joking about the subject :smilewinkgrin:
I do feel like there should be some continuation between dispensations, and it does seem like the promises made to Abraham are also valid to the New Covenant church... frankly I am more confused than anything :confused: Perhaps we will see some sort of synthesis of Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism in the upcoming future...
 
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Earth said:
Wont your pastor just "Pastorise " you? Then at least you will have a exploration date. You wiill be systematiced! Then he can produce some cheese from you. You will be the gift that keeps on giving.....maybe cheese o the month.:laugh:
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Nicely done! :laugh: Pun well delivered! I'll have to find a way to incorporate this into a conversation with him...
 
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Yeshua1 said:
maybe the assumption is that arminians are dispy, while calvinists are Covenant?
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Which bears my point... I. Howard Marshall is an Arminian Covenanter. John MacArthur is a Calvinist Dispensationalist. It is a non-issue for this part of the BB.
 
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Greektim said:
Which bears my point... I. Howard Marshall is an Arminian Covenanter. John MacArthur is a Calvinist Dispensationalist. It is a non-issue for this part of the BB.
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think question on thisis though do others calvinists such as reformed see that Dispy can even be calvinists though?
 
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kyredneck said:
The SB church I was raised in 60 yrs ago was staunch Scofield brand Dispensationalist. At least once a month was devoted to an exhilarating, captivating, emotional, edge of your seat, prophetic sermon on how we are in the last days and how Israel, the chosen people of God, will be at the center of it all when Christ returns the second time. I used to love those sermons when I was young and dumb. Those sermons were by far the most entertaining.

I'm pretty sure that every SB church in that Boone's Creek Association was just as Dispensationalist as the church that I grew up in.

I had never heard of Covenant Theology until my wife and I became active in a non-denominational Bible Church many years later. This church was where we became acquainted with the doctrines of God's Sovereign Grace. Thank you Lord.
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I thought most non-denominational churches in that neck of the woods were freewill. i thought you were now Primitive Baptist!
 
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Dr. Bob said:
If we ALL stuck to the OP, we'd not be taking shots at each other. We'd be following the church doctrines and acting like mature Christians and not sniping 4th graders.

The stated theology of both Northern (and all subsets, like Conservative, GARBC, et al) and Southern is very dispensational. I have pastored in IFB (from Northern) all my life, edited the state magazine, spoken in conferences, etc, and NEVER met a pastor/church that held to historic "covenant" theology.

It was not until running into the Presbyterian-trained Baptists in the Reformed Baptist circles that I found Baptists who bought into that mindset.

Think "John MacArthur" - avid defender of reformed soteriology BUT 100% dispensational - or think the great men of Dallas Seminary, and you will see where most Baptists align.
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I do like John MacArthur. His books are generally timely and more important he writes so that most folks can understand what he says. Of course like all of us he has his failings, one being his dispensationalism.

Sadly most Southern Baptists around here are dispensational. Even more sad is that the only thing most know about dispensational doctrine is that they are "Rapture Ready"!

Where I grew up on the Ky-Va border the only people I ever heard about who believed in the millennial reign were the "No Hellers". Them there is Jehovah"s Witness folks!
 
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OldRegular said:
I do like John MacArthur. His books are generally timely and more important he writes so that most folks can understand what he says. Of course like all of us he has his failings, one being his dispensationalism.

Sadly most Southern Baptists around here are dispensational. Even more sad is that the only thing most know about dispensational doctrine is that they are "Rapture Ready"!

Where I grew up on the Ky-Va border the only people I ever heard about who believed in the millennial reign were the "No Hellers". Them there is Jehovah"s Witness folks!
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think that there are differing shades of Dispy theology though, as not all of us 100% Scofield version!
 
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