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Covered or Removed?

Ben1445

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Good grief, first the false claim is that I do not answer his questions, plural, and now the false claim is I do not like to answer an unstated question. Pure drivel, folks.

JD731 cited Hebrews 10:11 which says the Old Covenant sacrifices can never take away sins. The Greek word (translated take away) was also used to translate, in the Septuagint, Genesis 41:42, where the King took off or removed his ring. In other words, under the Old Covenant God provided a merciful covering for their sins, but under the New Covenant, God provided total removal of the sin penalty of those who underwent the washing of regeneration.
It was clearly not an unstated question. I quoted the question from its post.
And the answer??
Proof of the opposite?
Not really answered to my satisfaction. (Don’t be upset about the way I said that. It simply means that I have more questions based upon your answer.)
I don’t see anyone holding to the old covenant for the removal of sin.
Do you have a quote of someone doing this or did someone just reference a verse that says what you want to say. I am missing the place where someone is “holding to the old covenant for the removal of sin.”
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
Good grief, first the false claim is that I do not answer his questions, plural, and now the false claim is I do not like to answer an unstated question. Pure drivel, folks.
Also addressing me instead of the post.

Did you ever wonder why you get the responses you do?
 

JD731

Well-Known Member
John the Baptist said when he saw Jesus;

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Hebrews says this:
He 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world (age) hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Both John and Jesus had one thing in common. They both lived and died under the Divine operative principle of the Mosaic Law.

Sin was put away as a death penalty for men while they lived when Jesus died, being the sacrifice and dying their deaths, However, they must be reconciled to God while they lived.

He 927 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The taking away of sin by the one time death penalty (wage) of the innocent Jesus for sin reconciled an offended God to sinful men.


8 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Reason & Logic application time here;

If it is true that Jesus did make a satisfactory payment for all sin in his own body by enduring it's penalty of suffering and death, what would be the basis of a righteous Judge to continue to hold sinners guilty? Answer NONE!

BUT, the death of Jesus did not reconcile sinful men to God and there remains the death penalty after physical death. Sinners must be reconciled because they want to be. They must believe they can be through Jesus Christ and because of who he is and what he did. God the Father cannot reject any sinner who comes to him for reconciliation through Jesus Christ. For this reason God sends ambassadors to make this known to all men.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

However, this time of grace will not last forever. It is just for this time, this age. God says he has reserved a time that he will judge the world in righteousness by Jesus Christ and after no others will come to God for reconciliation in his name. There is a reserved time coming when God will destroy all sinners from this earth and leave only the saved.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31 Because he hath appointed a day (a theme of scriptures called< the day of the LORD>), in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Let every one of us be sure they have come to God for forgiveness of sins in the way he has given, through faith in Jesus Christ. Let no man tell you that Jesus Christ did not atone for the sins of the whole world because that preaching is not the gospel.


We (ambassadors) then, as workers together with him (Jesus), beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation)
 
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