COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate Shows Promise

[Use of Time]

Saving the economy is saving the nation, comrade. Wrecking the economy is forcing others to wreck their lives, their livelihoods and their health on the false premise of saving a few lives who through no fault of their own are falling victims to a hyped up pandemic.

It's also a form of collectivism, and of saying there is too high a price for freedom, which is where your Socialism, aka, Communism, aka despotism is coming in.

It is coming to light that China's despotism did little to stop the spread of this virus, and I have posted analysis of your betters that say that lockdowns will do little in the U.S.

What is needed is a response that preserves liberty, infrastructure, essential services and that minimizes the disruption of community life. That means testing, targeted quarantines of epicenters based on real and reliable data, mobilization, surge prep, and treatment.

Great recommendations! I mean they forget that pesky little detail about hospital capacity right now which could be a minor factor in your plan.

 

[Benjamin]

...the false premise of saving a few lives who through no fault of their own are falling victims to a hyped up pandemic.

You must be one desperate person to be so sure of your desires to not let economy fall that you would argue such nonsense and be willing to risk the lives of so many.

 

[Aaron]

You must be one desperate person to be so sure of your desires to not let economy fall that you would argue such nonsense and be willing to risk the lives of so many.

 

[Aaron]

How do you get cured and immune without getting sick and being infectious or getting vaccinated?

Why is that? Most likely, these patients have pre-existing immunity to the virus from previous exposure to COVID-19 or due to cross-reactive immunity from being infected by related Coronaviruses. Many people have stated that they suffered symptoms of Coronavirus earlier this year. Due to a lack of testing, many people most likely have had exposure to the virus; they have developed immunity to it.

Coronavirus COVID-19: Public Health Apocalypse or Panic, Hoax, and Anti-American? - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

 

[Gold Dragon]

Why is that? Most likely, these patients have pre-existing immunity to the virus from previous exposure to COVID-19 or due to cross-reactive immunity from being infected by related Coronaviruses. Many people have stated that they suffered symptoms of Coronavirus earlier this year. Due to a lack of testing, many people most likely have had exposure to the virus; they have developed immunity to it.

Previous exposure is getting sick and being infectious. You can have exposure, get infected and not have any symptoms, still be infectious and then recover. That would show up on the serology test.

In terms of cross reactivity with the common cold coronaviruses, if that were actually happening, it would probably not show up on the serology test for one thing or be an equivocal result, and it is obviously not that common or else we would not be seeing the rates of infection for Covid19 that we are seeing.

So sure get serology tested. If you are negative and you really believe covid19 is just the flu, then that belief should logically lead you to get sick as soon as possible to get it over with to help the economy.

 

[Gold Dragon]

@Aaron and @Scott Downey, I don't know if you guys care what Trump thinks now.

But think of what would have happened if we didn't do anything. I mean, I've had many friends, business people, people with great, actually, common sense - they said, "Why don't we ride it out?" A lot of people have said. A lot of people have thought about it. "Ride it out. Don't do anything, just ride it out and think of it as the flu." But it's not the flu. It's vicious.

President Trump with Coronavirus Task Force Briefing | C-SPAN.org
from 58:20 - 58:40

 

[Wingman68]

Aaron, I don't know if you care what Trump thinks now.



President Trump with Coronavirus Task Force Briefing | C-SPAN.org
from 58:20 - 58:40

And then he said.....
Trump raises the prospect of lifting the lockdown knowing people will get infected | Daily Mail Online
It will never be the right time to lift the lockdown for the left. Trump will always come under attack, no matter what he does, & you know what? He doesn’t care. He will do what he thinks is in our best interests, that is what a leader does. He IS a leader, not a lackey.

 

[Gold Dragon]

And then he said.....
Trump raises the prospect of lifting the lockdown knowing people will get infected | Daily Mail Online
It will never be the right time to lift the lockdown for the left.

There will definitely be a time to lift the lockdown. I'm hoping it will be soon in Australia as we seem to be getting things under control for the most part. I am hoping around a month more for us and then gradually easing off the pedal. The US will too eventually but it looks quite a long way off at this time.

As Aaron said in another thread, if you lift the lockdown and nothing changes on the ground, then you have just delayed those deaths you tried to prevent.

 

[KenH]

Some poor kid in the future is going to start cleaning out a parent's home & find hundreds of roach infested toilet paper rolls that were a panic buy "way back when"!

 

[Aaron]

Previous exposure is getting sick and being infectious. You can have exposure, get infected and not have any symptoms, still be infectious and then recover. That would show up on the serology test.

In terms of cross reactivity with the common cold coronaviruses, if that were actually happening, it would probably not show up on the serology test for one thing or be an equivocal result, and it is obviously not that common or else we would not be seeing the rates of infection for Covid19 that we are seeing.

So sure get serology tested. If you are negative and you really believe covid19 is just the flu, then that belief should logically lead you to get sick as soon as possible to get it over with to help the economy.

I just posted what another doctor said in response to your question.

 

[Wingman68]

Ground Reports – Healthcare Focus – What’s Going On In Your City, Town, Neighborhood?…

Sundance doesn’t post bs. Stay home harder is what we hear today from the media. Starting the lines with limited access to grocery stores now. Sending home nurses due to lack of patients?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

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What an inheritance! Probably starved to death after wasting their life savings. Who needs toilet paper when they have no food?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

You must be one desperate person to be so sure of your desires to not let economy fall that you would argue such nonsense and be willing to risk the lives of so many.

Yeah, a lot of us feel like we're being ridden by Jackasses, ones trying to get us to step on a landmine while using us for cover, and fodder.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I just posted what another doctor said in response to your question.

yes. That other doctor does not address the issues we are talking about and did not provide any evidence that cross reactivity actually happens. He just guesses it does because it helps with his politically motivated arguments.

 

[Use of Time]

Ground Reports – Healthcare Focus – What’s Going On In Your City, Town, Neighborhood?…

Sundance doesn’t post bs. Stay home harder is what we hear today from the media. Starting the lines with limited access to grocery stores now. Sending home nurses due to lack of patients?

In response to the article, sure I’d be happy to tell you how it is on my town. My wife currently works in labor and delivery. The hospital currently has 30 positive cases of COVID-19. When things are slow in labor and delivery she goes to cross train in the ER and in triage to assist with the overwhelming number of patients. Nobody gets sent home. The article was the need only vague about these empty hospitals and that’s great if you live in some far off little hamlet that hasn’t seen the virus yet. Be thankful and I can tell you to tread lightly on this subject as nothing gets on my wife’s nerves more than those that have it good right now trying to tell her it’s overblown.

 

[KenH]

Be thankful and I can tell you to tread lightly on this subject as nothing gets on my wife’s nerves more than those that have it good right now trying to tell her it’s overblown.

Obviously, more populated cities will be hit a lot harder than rural areas and small towns. Population density matters. Fortunately, most of the country is not as densely populated as the New York City area. New York City is the media capital and it will get a lot more attention from the news media. It is awful what is happening there and other large cities, but to project that what has happened in New York City is destined to happened in every small town, village, hamlet, and farming community is rather far fetched, in my opinion.

 

[Use of Time]

Obviously, more populated cities will be hit a lot harder than rural areas and small towns. Population density matters. Fortunately, most of the country is not as densely populated as the New York City area. New York City is the media capital and it will get a lot more attention from the news media. It is awful what is happening there and other large cities, but to project that what has happened in New York City is destined to happened in every small town, village, hamlet, and farming community is rather far fetched, in my opinion.

I didn’t project that some small town in like...Iowa is destined for New York City. Just remember this virus started and spread in Wuhan and now it’s worldwide. I’m just in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia right now and our hospitals are a zoo right now.

 

[Aaron]

yes. That other doctor does not address the issues we are talking about and did not provide any evidence that cross reactivity actually happens. He just guesses it does because it helps with his politically motivated arguments.

Yes, and, of course, everyone should just listen to you.

 

[Scott Downey]

Why is that? Most likely, these patients have pre-existing immunity to the virus from previous exposure to COVID-19 or due to cross-reactive immunity from being infected by related Coronaviruses. Many people have stated that they suffered symptoms of Coronavirus earlier this year. Due to a lack of testing, many people most likely have had exposure to the virus; they have developed immunity to it.

Coronavirus COVID-19: Public Health Apocalypse or Panic, Hoax, and Anti-American? - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

Part of the problem is much of the leadership is old sick with various problems and afraid of their own death want to lockdown everyone else. The media is by its negative antagonsistic nature their allies and influencers with the public.