"stupid", "unChristian"?
So it's ok to censor free exchange of ideas.
Thanks for your involvement in the political process.
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"stupid", "unChristian"?
So it's ok to censor free exchange of ideas.
Thanks for your involvement in the political process.
Do you believe I should not freely express my ideas?
I have not censored any posts on this thread. I responded to an anti-Christian post implying that God guides people to reject a vaccination.
It is not a political response, but a theological one. Posting that the Holy Spirit guides people to be anti-vax is unChristian and stupid. No politics in that truth.
That said, you do have to remember that this is a Christian forum. Too many people take "free exchange of ideas" and "freedom of speech" to mean "freedom from responsibility".
kathleenmariekg
Active Member
God is in control. God is there with us, always. We all die eventually. The passing is easier if we are not alone when it happens. Christians don't have suffer the passing alone, even if no other human is present at the time. God is there. God is in control.
Life is hard. Life is scary. Being a Christian certainly does not mean that we will not suffer or face danger. The more practice we get and the more faith we have, the calmer we remain when facing danger. I have survived the unsurvivable more than once. Now, when I am in danger, I KNOW I might live, no matter how dire the circumstances look.
As Christians we are servants. Our bodies are tools that enable us to serve. We are expected to do our part to maintain them, but we have a Master that has a part in their preservation as well. Each body is a different tool designed to do the work that it is meant to perform. God has already decided what is going to happen to our bodies as a result of the pandemic, but we are NOT to be negligent and we are not to be arrogant and we are not to test him.
For some of us, obedience will mean receiving a vaccine, and for others, it will mean NOT receiving a vaccine. Our bodies are not all the same. The conditions that our bodies will experience will not be the same. How do we know for certain what we are supposed to do? Do the research and pray. Make the best choice you know how to make. Expect to be thwarted if you made the wrong choice IF you made the choice as your best effort to be humble and obedient.
You will be saved from making the wrong choice if your heart is right. Understand the "right" choice is not necessarily the one that will result in comfort or a longer life, but just one that is obedient. The right choice is the one the Father and Master wants for YOU.
Life is hard. Life is scary. Being a Christian certainly does not mean that we will not suffer or face danger. The more practice we get and the more faith we have, the calmer we remain when facing danger. I have survived the unsurvivable more than once. Now, when I am in danger, I KNOW I might live, no matter how dire the circumstances look.
As Christians we are servants. Our bodies are tools that enable us to serve. We are expected to do our part to maintain them, but we have a Master that has a part in their preservation as well. Each body is a different tool designed to do the work that it is meant to perform. God has already decided what is going to happen to our bodies as a result of the pandemic, but we are NOT to be negligent and we are not to be arrogant and we are not to test him.
For some of us, obedience will mean receiving a vaccine, and for others, it will mean NOT receiving a vaccine. Our bodies are not all the same. The conditions that our bodies will experience will not be the same. How do we know for certain what we are supposed to do? Do the research and pray. Make the best choice you know how to make. Expect to be thwarted if you made the wrong choice IF you made the choice as your best effort to be humble and obedient.
You will be saved from making the wrong choice if your heart is right. Understand the "right" choice is not necessarily the one that will result in comfort or a longer life, but just one that is obedient. The right choice is the one the Father and Master wants for YOU.
Is that what you think?
I just said "free exchange of ideas."
This, in addition to a health issue, is a political one.
But do you call those names to the people you preach to in church?
Not preaching here you may say.
Lift up the brother in error, so yes, continue calling him names will certainly help him to change by shock therapy.
I do not call any person names (and I have not here, either).
Hopefully a brother who says those who reject the vaccine are the ones following God will repent at the sin. Ultimately this is the role of the Holy Spirit - NOT guiding people away from (or towards) a vaccination but convicting them of sin (like claiming tge work of the Spirit is leading one to reject or accept a shot).
I'm sure many make covid a political issue. That does not mean in and if itself it is one. I am not even speaking if it as a health issue.
I am speaking of an unChristian and stupid post.
Now, if YOU believe God is leading people to avoid a shot and Satan is leading people to take a shot then I do question your discernment. But I would not call you names were you to post unChristian and stupid stuff either.
nonaeroterraqueous
Active Member
God grants wisdom to some. A polar situation demands that one side, or its opposite be foolish. There's no middle ground, here. One option may save you. The other option may harm or endanger. God leads us, and he does not lead us to our own destruction. If we are divided on a polar matter such as this, in which one side is in peril and the other is safe, then it is far less likely that both sides are right than that one side is not led by God.
We might claim that we saved ourselves, but that would be the unchristian response. We are not so self-sufficient as you suppose.
I agree. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man saves himself.
To the World the gospel is foolish, but to those who are bring saved the gift of life.
2 Timothy 2:4. No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier.
That said, it is wrong to say that God leads men to refrain from getting vaccinated, the consequence being death....otherwise men like Phil Valentine prove God a liar. It is wrong to say God leads men to be vaccinated, the consequence being death....otherwise the 14 year old boy who had a reaction to the vaccine and died prove God a liar.
It is a sin to try to hijack God for one's agenda.
OK Jon, call "posts" whatever you like, it's your opinion any way and I am for expression, but prefer you would remember that your expressions always carry the authority of the Moderator.
Every post has the Green and "Moderator", twice under your photo, one with the hammer.
Every post has the Green and "Moderator", twice under your photo, one with the hammer.
I will call posts whatever I like. Posts do not carry authority (people are free to disagree with me....obviously).
Just look at our exchange here! Have you been harmed? Have I edited out your disagreements? NO, I have not. Why? Because your conduct on this thread has not been inappropriate.
You just expect a double standard for members on staff (you want staff censored).
Yes I have been harmed.
We have already been over that road.
Do you want the details again?
Have you ever edited any member's remarks?
You could have been censored for some of what you supposedly meant to be sarcastic remarks but were actually caustic though I fit in there having done the same as well.
But I am not an official representative of this forums' administration.
You want the power but not the responsibility that comes from having authority.
Don't you admins have the authority to censor and ban?
Haven't you had a hand in banning a member?
You censor and ban what you think is inappropriate.
But you do not always have the same standard for everyone.
Am I the only one who has raised this issue?
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Have I ever banned anyone? Yes - I have banned members who post pornography and spam, but you don't see those (they come in a que....I guess the system tags them).
Have I ever banned an active member? No. I have given points when added to already accumulated points resulted in a temporary ban. But I have not banned an active member (I leave that to the Admins).
Have I editeded or removed content I believe provocative or inappropriate? Yes, that is what we do.
Do I moderate posts in which I am involved? No.
Do I need details of your "injuries"? No. I do not recall what they may be but I do remember you pm'img me about being injured. I care about people- not circumstances or complaints (I discard past events fairly quickly. I don't hold grudges nor apologeti feelings. I'm just built to move forward, I guess).
If you were truly injured by this board then I suggest you reevaluate exactly why and how you had those feelings when this is just a discussion board. Perhaps you were too invested in the online opinions of others?
Back to the topic - I do not believe getting a vaccine or refraining from getting a vacvine demonstrates a lack of faith.
We will have to agree to disagree.
I started to raise this question before, but decided to just put him on “IGNORE”. Unfortunately I found out one cannot put an administrator on IGNORE.
I debated whether to “grin & bear it”, or quit the BB, but haven't quite decided yet, though I have cut down my time on here.
Agreed. I brought that up, about not being able to ignore JonC, months ago, and no action is ever taken. We are not the only two fed up with his behavior.
Because they are unsubstantiated by members who target those who do not agree with them (and I happen to be a moderator who dares post my views on the forum)...I have learned to ignore the thugs and bullies.
IMO, if I'm still allowed to have one, you are destroying this forum
Yes, you are still allowed to have an opinion. No, I do not care. You're just a follower.
I know that you don't care.
Good. As far as I know you and I have never debated one anotger....or for that matter had any interactions. You are a follower.
No, I'm just a member that recognizes the damage that you are doing to this forum. I don't expect that you will moderate your behavior. Someone in authority needs to moderate you. They should at least give us the option to ignore you.