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Covid Vax Injuries Reach One Million
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RighteousnessTemperance&
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Not directly OP related, but a recent inquiry revealed that a pharmacist in a large metropolitan area not only didn’t have the officially approved Pfizer vaccine (only the generic), but had never even heard of Comirnaty.
I was unaware generic vaccines had been made avaliable (I thought the developer had exclusive rights for a period of time before generic formulas could be produced.....but I'm not sure why I thought this).
RighteousnessTemperance&
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LOL.
Obtuse much? 
Generic in naming vs namebrand, of course. What's the name of your COVID-19 vaccine? We call ours "COVID-19 Vaccine." Clever.
What model Ford do you have? I think it's a "truck." But it's on the roadside. Dead. See if you can find it.
Oh. I see what you mean. Medically the exact same vaccine, produced by the same company at the sane location but not marketed under the trade name.LOL.
What's the name of your COVID-19 vaccine? We call ours "COVID-19 Vaccine." Clever.
What model Ford do you have? I think it's a "truck." But it's on the roadside. Dead. See if you can find it.
"A generic drug is a pharmaceutical drug that contains the same chemical substance as a drug that was originally protected by chemical patents."
The term "generic" does not apply (the established name is "Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vacvine" and the trade name is "Comirnaty").
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Yeah, I know what you're trying to say. Already encountered it and rightly rejected it outright. No, I’m not referring to the "generic" quibble. That’s all red herring. So that technicality can stand. Yeah, I mean you can have that one.
But, no, the "Comirnaty" brandname is not the same as merely “COVID-19 Vaccine.” The legal ramifications are not merely significant but dramatic. The technical difference between being liable and not. This is not just about politics but about money. Lots and lots of money. Call it mammon.
You are talking legal issues regarding a name, not the actual vaccine (which is not in question....it us the same vaccine).
If pointing out you ate mot using the actual meaning of "generic" is "quibbling" then do us arguing what the vacvine is called (from a medical standpoint). The only reason it is even an issue is some want to stop vaccines.
When the name usage came up the judge even acknowledged that medically it's same vaccine.
So we are only talking politics.
That post is definitely an example of your "careful and deliberate" communication.
National or International politics? What is the political view trying to be expressed? By whom, against whom through covid and vaccinations? Are the vaccinations really necessary?
And the most important question.
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
LOL. Don't think we're in agreement. It's your side that makes it political. If not for the the non-medical, unscientific and medieval lockdowns, the extortion and coercion of citizens through an increasingly transparent vax propaganda amidst an unconscionable injury ratio . . . the discussions would be about covid and vaccinations.
You are mistaken. I never supported lockdowns. I believe Trump made a bad decision when he chose to lockdown the nation. That was a political move.
I also believe the federal government dictate to private companies is government overreach.
Both political parties made the virus and vaccine political. And both sides are keeping it political. And neither is my side.
Until the Covid 19 vax, VAERS was considered to do just that.
No, it was not. Until Covid people who kept up with vaccines and side-effects (like the pre-covid MMR vaccine debates), knew this.
But unfortunately anti-covid-vaxers are often willing victims of misinformation.
VAERS was created by Congress to track vaccine injury. VAERS was the mechanism of report being made so it could be followed up, investigated, and tracked. They are being dismissed, not investigated.
No. You have fallen for anti-vax misinformation.
From Oct 2012:
It is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. The VAERS database includes reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events along with potential side effects. Reports of adverse events in the database are not a confirmation that a vaccine caused the event to occur. The database collects reports from all adverse events following vaccination, whether it is merely coincidental or actually caused by a vaccine (VAERS, 2012). VAERS is a passive surveillance system and all it does is collect adverse reports and create a database that will later be used by both CDC and FDA.
I think you are as usual having problems with the truth or your reading comprehension. Not sure which. That is exactly what I said.
The CDC and FDA are just intentionally making "later" be much later than it was in case of SARS 1 vax.
Objectives of VAERS
The primary objectives of VAERS are to:
Pay close attention to the 4th dot JonC.
The primary objectives of VAERS are to:
- Detect new, unusual, or rare vaccine adverse events;
- Monitor increases in known adverse events;
- Identify potential patient risk factors for particular types of adverse events;
- Assess the safety of newly licensed vaccines;
- Determine and address possible reporting clusters (e.g., suspected localized [temporally or geographically] or product-/batch-/lot-specific adverse event reporting);
- Recognize persistent safe-use problems and administration errors;
- Provide a national safety monitoring system that extends to the entire general population for response to public health emergencies, such as a large-scale pandemic influenza vaccination program.
Pay close attention to the 4th dot JonC.
No. That was the VAERS statement from 2012 (before Covid).
VAERS was established after Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act in 1986 requiring providers and vaccine manufacturers to report possible adverse events that occur during or following the administration of vaccines licensed in the United States.
It is managed by the CDC and FDA as a passive data system that does not establish causes. It is a starting point.
Is that not what I said? But also look at purpose 4 in my above post.
I agree with the purpose of the data system.
My complaint is some anti-vaxers are treating the system as if it actually identifies side-effects connected to vaccines, which it does not. The system is a tool used and managed by the CDC and FDA.
If there is a trend in side-effects post-vaccine then I agree it needs to be studied. But as the system itself does not determine causes of side-effects it is wrong to pretend otherwise....yet how many times have we seen VAERS data presented as "proof"?