When will we ever learn?
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Crazy gun policy
- Thread starter Crabtownboy
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When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?
Do U.S. guns deaths include suicides?
In 2013, 21,175 people in the U.S. died at their own hands using guns, more than those who died from homicide.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...ide-is-the-other-side-of-americas-gun-problem
So a quick calculation based on 2013 statistics. Let's assume that 20,000 people were killed by guns in homicides. If this rate were to hold steady for the past 25 years (1989-2014) there would be 500,000 deaths by guns via homicides. That is less than the number killed in all wars, 656,397 according to your chart. In order for your chart to be true, there would need to be an average of 26,256 homicidal gun deaths per year for the period 1989-2014.
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Every year more than one million people die for car accidents. Do you know how many people die from smoking, drugs, & alcohol.
When will we ever learn.
When will we ever learn.
When will we ever learn?
That's a great point. We should pass laws against killing people.
When will we ever learn?
When will you stop falling for lies and posting them as truth?
Over 600,000 died in the civil war alone.
My 4th-8th graders that I taught could tell you that if you compare two numbers from two different populations and try to make their value comparable when other factors are involved, you are headed for hot mess of misinformation.
Example. Let's say that Jason, 10, and Jimmy, 15, come home and tell their mother that they each got 20 questions correct on their Friday math test. They are so excited and she gives them both a treat.
What mother failed to ask was how many questions were ON the test. Jason has 25 questions on his test - he made an 80 C. Jimmy has 50 questions on his test - he made a 40 F!
This information from the OP is exactly the same. Someone forgot to ask how many U.S. military have fought in all the U.S. wars and someone forgot to ask how many U.S. citizens have lived from 1989 to 2015.
The two numbers - all by themselves - 656,397 and 836,290 are NOT comparable because they do not come from the same pool of information.
Example. Let's say that Jason, 10, and Jimmy, 15, come home and tell their mother that they each got 20 questions correct on their Friday math test. They are so excited and she gives them both a treat.
What mother failed to ask was how many questions were ON the test. Jason has 25 questions on his test - he made an 80 C. Jimmy has 50 questions on his test - he made a 40 F!
This information from the OP is exactly the same. Someone forgot to ask how many U.S. military have fought in all the U.S. wars and someone forgot to ask how many U.S. citizens have lived from 1989 to 2015.
The two numbers - all by themselves - 656,397 and 836,290 are NOT comparable because they do not come from the same pool of information.
- According to the Department of Veteran Affairs in Washington, D.C., there have been 41,892,128 Americans who have served in wartime since the Revolutionary War. http://www.va.gov/opa/publications/factsheets/fs_americas_wars.pdf So, let's find the percentage killed in battle deaths.
- 656,397 divided by 41,892,128 = 1.56%
- www.census.gov According to the 1990 census, the first census after Reagan, there were 248,709,873 people living in America. There are now 322,583,006 people living in America. We could use this first number as the total population to get a percentage, but we would be leaving out 100,000,000 people born after this time period who would make of the pool of ALL American living from 1990 to 2015. Remember, we counted ALL the soldiers from ALL of the wars. We SHOULD count ALL of the Americans from ALL of the years 1990-1015. But I don't know how to find that number. So let's just take an average of the two populations: 285,646,440
- 836,290 divided by 285,646,440 = 0.29%
- Since the Revolutionary War, 1.56% of United States wartime soldiers have died during war during battle deaths.
- From 1989 to 2015, 0.29% of Unites States citizens have died from guns.
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Wrong about the Civil War. Over 600,000 were casualties, this includes killed and wounded who survived ... like my great-grandfather who was wounded. 214,938 were killed, not 600,000. If you extrapolate that 30 years to include the years of all the ward how many million would it be?
Isn't is a sobering thought to realize that more people have been killed by guns in 25 years ... 1989 to 2014 ... than in all our wars?
You mean it took that to sober you up today, Boy?
Crabby, one of these days you just might run across something that would be truly relevant to the sanity of this country - not likely, but possible - and N
NE will pay any attention because you spout so much asininity so routinely.
Just something for you to ponder IF you are "trying" to appear serious on this board!! :tonofbricks::tonofbricks::tonofbricks:
NE will pay any attention because you spout so much asininity so routinely.Just something for you to ponder IF you are "trying" to appear serious on this board!! :tonofbricks::tonofbricks::tonofbricks:
Crabby, one of these days you just might run across something that would be truly relevant to the sanity of this country - not likely, but possible - and N
Just something for you to ponder IF you are "trying" to appear serious on this board!! :tonofbricks::tonofbricks::tonofbricks:
So you see no problem with a policy, or a lack of a policy, that ends up with more people being killed in the US in 25 years than soldiers in all the wars in our history. How is that sanity?
WRONG. Your opening post is about gun deaths; now you're attempting yo change the parameters to make your numbers work.
We have policies. We have laws.
You're trying to make inanimate objects the cause for your statistics. That takes away the responsibility of the individuals who used those inanimate objects.
Removing all alcohol from the immediate vicinity of an alcoholic doesn't stop him from being an alcoholic.
poncho
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Rand Paul shoots up federal tax code with semiautomatic rifle
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/16/rand-paul-shoots-federal-tax-code-semiautomatic-ri/ :applause:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/16/rand-paul-shoots-federal-tax-code-semiautomatic-ri/ :applause:
You can file that post along with the other lies you post.
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poncho
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The line, “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you,” takes on new meaning after reading R.J. Rummel’s devastating Death By Government. This century, estimates the University of Hawaii political scientist, the State has killed almost 170 million people.
The numbers are so horrifying, so unfathomable, so unbelievable–it is tempting to dismiss them as meaningless statistics. But consider: this century, politicians have killed, for matters of ideology and policy, the equivalent of the entire population of Russia. With the slaughter averaging roughly 1.8 million people a year, in effect every resident of Houston or Philadelphia has been buried year in and year out.
Rummel calls these murders “democide” rather than “genocide,” because the latter focuses on the elimination of specific ethnic groups, while the former includes mass killings for any number of other reasons. He readily acknowledges the difficulty in developing an accurate death toll, but no one has done better: Rummel offers 72 pages of references.
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What makes his analysis particularly useful is its impartiality. His book forces us to remember mass killing by the supposed good guys in World War II.
Even Great Britain and the U.S. come under criticism for their terror bombings of civilian populations during the same conflict. Rummel goes so far as to list Britain as a “Centi-Kilomurderer,” responsible for an estimated 816,000 deaths, primarily from its World War II aerial campaign, which exceeded anything attempted by Nazi Germany,
Read More At: http://fee.org/freeman/death-by-government/
That's called perspective. In case anyone thinks this post is "off topic".
The numbers are so horrifying, so unfathomable, so unbelievable–it is tempting to dismiss them as meaningless statistics. But consider: this century, politicians have killed, for matters of ideology and policy, the equivalent of the entire population of Russia. With the slaughter averaging roughly 1.8 million people a year, in effect every resident of Houston or Philadelphia has been buried year in and year out.
Rummel calls these murders “democide” rather than “genocide,” because the latter focuses on the elimination of specific ethnic groups, while the former includes mass killings for any number of other reasons. He readily acknowledges the difficulty in developing an accurate death toll, but no one has done better: Rummel offers 72 pages of references.
< snip >
What makes his analysis particularly useful is its impartiality. His book forces us to remember mass killing by the supposed good guys in World War II.
Even Great Britain and the U.S. come under criticism for their terror bombings of civilian populations during the same conflict. Rummel goes so far as to list Britain as a “Centi-Kilomurderer,” responsible for an estimated 816,000 deaths, primarily from its World War II aerial campaign, which exceeded anything attempted by Nazi Germany,
Read More At: http://fee.org/freeman/death-by-government/
That's called perspective. In case anyone thinks this post is "off topic".
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When will we ever learn?
When will you learn? Guns do not kill people ... people with evil intents kill people. Now there are accidental deaths by shooting, but, they are just that. ACCIDENTAL!
There are probably another large group of folks here on the board, who like me, have owned guns most of their life, and we have not murdered anyone.
Your argument is stale, old and ridiculous. :BangHead:
Crabby,
Are you worried about Deaths from car collisions - they total more than 3.5 million since 1899
Are you worried about Deaths from car collisions - they total more than 3.5 million since 1899
poncho
Well-Known Member
How about death and injury from prescription drugs?
They total 100,000 deaths and 2,000,000 injuries per year.
http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/DevelopmentResources/DrugInteractionsLabeling/ucm114848.htm
The latest micro-documentary from Crush The Street explores the reality of violence in America and the shocking statistics being used to justify complete disarmament of the American people.
Last year 285 people died from a rifle according to FBI crime statistics. This includes the deadly assault rifles. It’s a shocking number.
But upon further investigation we learned that 1,490 U.S. citizens died from a knife attack…
The media has had us focused on guns for too long…
Watch video here . . . http://www.infowars.com/watch-these-are-the-shocking-statistics-the-government-doesnt-want-you-to-see/
They total 100,000 deaths and 2,000,000 injuries per year.
http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/DevelopmentResources/DrugInteractionsLabeling/ucm114848.htm
The latest micro-documentary from Crush The Street explores the reality of violence in America and the shocking statistics being used to justify complete disarmament of the American people.
Last year 285 people died from a rifle according to FBI crime statistics. This includes the deadly assault rifles. It’s a shocking number.
But upon further investigation we learned that 1,490 U.S. citizens died from a knife attack…
The media has had us focused on guns for too long…
Watch video here . . . http://www.infowars.com/watch-these-are-the-shocking-statistics-the-government-doesnt-want-you-to-see/
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