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1) Were the specific individual sins of every born anew believe laid on Christ while Christ was alive and hanging on the cross?Van what happened to the sins of us which the Father laid on the Son? When they were laid on the Son he was alive with his blood flowing through him. He then gave his like, shed his blood, by dismissing the Spirit of him into the hands of the Father. Jesus Christ was DEAD. On the 14th Jesus Christ died 15th Jesus Christ was dead, 16 Jesus Christ was dead, 17th for most of 24 hr period Jesus Christ was dead, then Jesus Christ was made alive again by God the Father.
1 Cor 15:17 and if Christ hath not risen, vain is your faith, ye are yet in your sins;
If Christ the only one to date to be raised out of the dead in the manner spoken of in Romans 6:9 had not been made alive out of the dead, would the sins of us be washed away in his blood? Would there even be; the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen, Faith?
for since through man is the death, also through man [Christ] is a rising again of the dead, for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive, and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ From 1 Cor 15:21-23
First-fruit Christ, singular. To date Jesus is the only one born of woman who has died and been raised out of the dead to die no more,
knowing that Christ, having been raised up out of the dead, doth no more die, death over him hath no more lordship; Rom 6:9
How long do you believe death had lordship over Christ?
@percho,
What did Jesus know He had already finished before He gave up His spirit?
John 19:28, ". . . Jesus knowing that all things now have been finished, . . ." YLT
1 Peter 2:24 (proper translation)
'Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness -- by whose stripes you were healed.'
Interpreted by
Isaiah 53:6. 'All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one, into his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.'
Yahweh laid upon our Lord all the sins of His people ('us') and He bore them, and the curse that lay upon us (hence 'tree'). By our union with Him, we have died to sin (Romans 6:1) and risen to new life in Him.(Colossians 2:13). But our being dead in trespasses being spiritual, our new birth (regeneration) is also spiritual . Christ, of course, being sinless, needed no regeneration, being resurrected or raised from the dead. As was pointed out in the O.P., to say that Christ was regenerated is either an accidental faux pas or a serious error.
LOL, The KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV, NASB and CSB all say that He bore our sins. What qualification have you got, Van, that allows you to say that they're all wrong?LOL, the claimed "proper translation" does not even come close to the Greek text.
Does the verse say "bore our sins" or "removed our sin's penalties."
Did Christ die on a crucifixion cross or on a tree?
Does the verse say we "died" to sins? Or the "ones that might come away from sin's penalties?"
1 Peter 2:24 (interpretive translation)
Who Himself removed our sin's penalties by dying on the cross so you might come away from sin's penalties to living for righteousness, because you were healed by means of His sacrificial suffering.
1) Were the specific individual sins of every born anew believe laid on Christ while Christ was alive and hanging on the cross?
1 Peter 2:24 (interpretive translation)
Who Himself removed our sin's penalties by dying on the cross so you might come away from sin's penalties to living for righteousness, because you were healed by means of His sacrificial suffering.
First the ones addressed by "our" and "you" are those born anew and thus having undergo the washing of regeneration.
The sin penalties removed are (1) forgiven and (2) remembered no more forever.
I have addressed when sins are washed away many times. Why do you not recall the washing of regeneration??? Christ provided the means of removal when He died as the Lamb of God, but our individual sin burden was removed only when we underwent the washing of regeneration, together with Christ.
1 Peter 2:24 (proper translation)
'Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness -- by whose stripes you were healed.'
Interpreted by
Isaiah 53:6. 'All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one, into his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.'
Yahweh laid upon our Lord all the sins of His people ('us') and He bore them, and the curse that lay upon us (hence 'tree'). By our union with Him, we have died to sin (Romans 6:1) and risen to new life in Him.(Colossians 2:13). But our being dead in trespasses being spiritual, our new birth (regeneration) is also spiritual . Christ, of course, being sinless, needed no regeneration, being resurrected or raised from the dead. As was pointed out in the O.P., to say that Christ was regenerated is either an accidental faux pas or a serious error.
SNIP
The Greek word translated 'bore' is anenenken, which is the Aorist, active 3rd Person singular of anaphero, which means to bear aloft or to sustain a burden. SNIP
You are welcome to post your own "interpretative translation" of 1 Peter 2:4.I do not think one should, "interpretive translate,' that verse and not also translate the Greek word for body. Methinks somehow the word body to which our sins were carried up is important.
SNIP
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You are welcome to post your own "interpretative translation" of 1 Peter 2:4.
Here again is mine: 1 Peter 2:24 (interpretive translation)
Who Himself removed our sin's penalties by dying on the cross so you might come away from sin's penalties to living for righteousness, because you were healed by means of His sacrificial suffering.
Now you think "body" refers to something other than physically dying on the cross. But I suspect you have no alternate understanding. I think "in His body" refers to His sacrifice of His physical bodies life, if the "body" of His death.
I can buy into your translation, interpretively, as long as it does not take away the fact of those sins being on the dead body...: SNIP
2Co 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, this person is a new creation; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
When do born anew believers become a new creation? When Christ died 2000 years ago or when the are "in (within) Christ?
When are born anew believers regenerated, made alive? Before they are "together with Christ" or only when they have been transferred into Christ and thus are "together with Christ?"
Thus the washing of regeneration, the removal of our sin's penalties occurs after we have been spiritually transferred into Christ.
This is the basic truth that should not be beyond the grasp of everyone who calls on the name of the Lord.
Sir, you did not even address the issue I put before you.I agree when we are given the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of Adoption we are considered to be, in Christ, and [Romans 8:11 applies to us NKJV But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you] We are guaranteed to receive a glorified body as Christ received at his resurrection, when he comes again. Rom 8:17, Phil 3:20,21.
In Christ. we become joint heirs with the One to have already inherited life, in a flesh body, eternal and incorruptible and will be born into that body at his coming.
He the Son of the Living God, will at that moment, become the first-born among many brethren. Romans 8:29