Originally posted by Alcott:
is lawful to 'do good' on the sabbath, or on any day; and it is unlawful to 'do bad' on any day, including the sabbath.
Is it? I thought you were under grace....
The 'doing good' on the Sabbath that Jesus was speaking about was HEALING. That is what doctors, nurses, fire and police DO. In one form or another they are either protecting life or helping it to heal. THOSE vocations REQUIRE that you have a JOB at the place of service. Those people who serve others ON THE SABBATH do so out of compassion and desire to help. It WOULD BE work if they got paid. This isn't a difficult concept.
I give you the benefit of the doubt as to this situation; however, I see no scriptural backing for the idea regardless of whether one is a sabbath observer or not. "A worker is worthy of his wages," say NT scripture. And you still did not answer whether your ministers are paid or volunteers; for if they are paid, unquestionably a large part of that is merited for their 'work' on the sabbath; in which case that portion cannot be kept by them, according to your claim.
This is a rediculous question. Do you think that PAUL was fed and housed and clothed by the church??? What of the Apostles? Do you think they STOPPED preaching on the Sabbath even though they had a common support of one another and the 'work' that they did was as a minister of the Gospel? Paul lived off of goods given to him by the Church. He preached on the Sabbath. Ask him.
Yes. It does require physical force to accomplish those tasks, and force acting upon a particular unit distance is the scientific definition of work.
So did the Pharisees.
The Pharisees thought the way 'I are?' Not hardly; I do not believe we have an obligation of sabbath observance at all, and that doesn't exactly fit their position.
You do not need to believe in Sabbath observance to approach it with a Pharisaical attitude! You are approaching it with everything you can muster out of your 'idiocratic question' bag, making light of the people who cherish it and mocking the God who created it. Just like the Pharisees!
Whose mistake was it to stone that man for gathering firewood on the sabbath in Numbers 15? Was that how God intended it, since it was He who ordered it, or if not, what part of it all did Jesus "fix?"
NOPE that was NOT how God intended it. The Law was ADDED because of TRANSGRESSION. If Israel would have kept the Sabbath and Hallowed it the way that God told them BEFORE SINAI, He would not have had to give them all those regulations.
They were stupid.
And you did not answer my question as to how we know (or don't know) that the International Date Line is located correctly, since scripture says nothing about its location, and it will be a determning factor as to which day is the sabbath around that meridian.
I didn't answer your question because it is a 'doubtful disputation'. I don't know of anyone who questions the international date line. You are the first that has ever done so in my view.
I know someone who celebrated it twice in a row because he flew over somewhere, Australia I think, and when he left where he was, Hawaii I think, it was the Sabbath and when he got to Australia it was the Sabbath again! He was HAPPY to celebrate it twice.
That is what you don't seem to get. We do not keep the Sabbath out of obligation, just like we do not give to God of our increase out of obligation. We do it out of a sincere desire to please God and to spend time with Him, One on one, without any distractions for a WHOLE day.
The Seventh Day.
God Bless
