Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
I have found this from a post by Ed Sutoon, this time for sure!
".... (Lk. 22:7 - HCSB; Lev. 23:5, Num. 9:3 - YLT)] and 'firstfruits', normally, apparently observed, as another has noted, 16 Nisan. However, the text does not give this specific date, but merely references it as "after the sabbath". It is not 'on a sabbath', hence ruling out its occurring on the 'seventh day sabbath', as well as any other 'Sabbath'."
GE
Now note the last section, "....hence ruling out its occurring on the 'seventh day sabbath', as well as any other 'Sabbath'."
By no means necessarily! The Feast Sabbath could concur with the weekly Sabbath. I know of no such incidence however in the OT. But rabbinic literature from AFTER Christ, began the practice to move the Feast Sabbath onto another date of the month so as to create time-space for it to be observed independently. This however is NOT Biblical. Why should we worry about it in any case, seeing it was not the case with the Passover when Jesus was crucified?
Correct, here! Finally, one from my post.
The quote you are commenting on here, is out of context, though. So I will repeat this, and hopefully maybe make myself clearer. I was commenting on the statements two made, (you were one of them, maybe?) in light of Lev. 23., about "firstfruits" occurring on 16 Nisan. There is no such "requirement" for this date, in the Scripture, although it would usually work in about six of every seven years.
However, the Hebrew calender was I believe, based on a thirty day month, there being twelve of them, with an added "Second Abib" month thrown in about once every six years, to make the calender year to more or less match the solar year. Still, neither 360 nor 390 are equally divisible by 7, so that the day of the week, for a particular date, changes every year, just as it does with our own calenders.
But the number of days in a week is always constant at 7, and have always been so reckoned, to my knowledge.
The second point I made was that "firstfruits" is not said to be "a holy convocation", or "Sabbath", in the text, unlike "the First day of the feast of unleavened bread", which is specifically designated as 15 Nisan (Abib), and is always a "Sabbath". This 'special' "Sabbath" can also occur in conjunction with the regular weekly Sabbath, and this would occur about one time in seven years, or so. 14 Nisan, or "Passover" can occur on the 'regular' weekly Sabbath, too, about once in seven years, from what I read, for 14 Nisan "moves" through the week, just as does 15 Nisan.
But not "Firstfruits"! There is no date of 16 Nisan (Abib) assigned to 'Firstfruits', here, even though that would be the 'usual' date, most years, for that is the next day after the 'Sabbath' of the "Feast Day of Unleavened Bread". But "firstfruits" and the attendant "wave sheaf"
cannot occur on a Sabbath, for the 'restriction' given is that specifically of "after the Sabbath" (Lev. 23:11). Hence, when 16 Nisan falls "on the Sabbath" (a good example of something you tried to prove regarding another subject) the "wave sheaf" and "firstfruits" would necessarily be "moved" to 17 Nisan,
"on the morrow" (KJV) or after
"the sabbath was past".
(If either of these two phrases somehow sound vaguely familiar, it may be because both wordings occur in the KJV, having to do with events of the week of the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of our Lord.)
Your argument that this "after the sabbath" really means only that of the "'high day' Sabbath' of 15 Nisan,
does not change the fact that the text reads "after the Sabbath", and "on a Sabbath" still does not mean the same thing as "after the sabbath". :BangHead:
Ergo, "firstfruits" cannot occur on the "seventh day" of the week, regardless.
Way past my bedtime! G'nite, all!
Ed