Crucifixion Happened ON Wednesday

[Eliyahu]

The 'injection' of "72 hours" is one place where the faulty reasoning usually begins. Scripture does not give or use this figure, at all.

It does use such phrases such as "the third day", "in three days", "three days and three nights", "on the third day", "after three days", and "the third day since", among perhaps others.

I "ain't the brightest neon on Broadway" by any stretch, but I do assume that all these phrases are referring to the same time period.

May I also suggest reading Matt. 12:39-40 carefully, and seeing exactly what that Scripture is saying, rather than reading into it words that are not found there.

In short, Wednesday is too early, and Friday is too late. Wanna' take a "blind stab" at what day is left??

Eliyahu is starting down the right track, folks. :thumbs:

Ed

Thanks for your understanding. In fact, as you may know, Matt 28:1 has 2 Sabbaths, one is for the meaning of week, the other is for Sabbath. But please check it carefully. It is Plural !
Plural can mean from one Sabbath to another Sabbath, which means a week. For the Sabbath itself, we notice Plurals are also used too ( Luke 6:1). But it doesn exclude the possibility that there were 2 Sabbaths, one High Sabbath of Passover ( Passover Sabbath) and regular sabbath.
When the Bible said " it was almost( nearing) the Sabbath" it doesn't mean the regular sabbath but the High Sabbath. It is very very sure. Bible kept the silence about the distinction there, between High Sabbath and Regular Sabbath. However, what we can imagine is the atmosphere of the feast. Normally, people rested in the feast joyfully during these Sabbath.

If it were Wednesday, then the Thursday was High Sabbath, Friday was a week day, Saturday was the regular Sabbath.

In some day we may be able to confirm the details. One factor was when was the Equinox in that year, then in which year Jesus died? ( in 30 AD? 29AD? or 33 AD? etc.)

As a whole this may help the Believers to trust the Bible teachings but is not the main issue. This may be a seconday issue, but the Believers better have the right understanding even on this.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

From the first to “the third day according to the Scriptures”. . .​

. . . the first day, 14 Nisan, “Preparation of the Passover”, Thursday, begins :

“Evening” – Preparation for, and the Lord’s Supper

Mk.14:12, 17, Lk.22:7, 14, Jn.13:1-17:26 ​

“Night” – Anguish, Betrayal, Denial
Mt.12:40, Mk.14:26-42, Jn.18:1-27

“Early” – Trial, Delivered, Way to Cross
Jn.18:28-19:22

Middle Day – Crucifixion, Mocking, Darkness,

Mk.15:25, 29, 33, Jn.19:23-29

“The ninth hour”, Afternoon – Died, Deserted

Mt.27:46, Jn.19:30, Lk.23:48
. . . the second day, 15 Nisan, Passover Feast, “The Fore-Sabbath”, Friday, begins:

“Evening” – Jews, “after this”, Joseph
Jn.19:31-40, Mk.15:42, Mt.27:57, Lk.23:52;
“Night” – Took the body down, prepared
Mk.15:42-46b, Mt.27:58-59, Lk.23:53a Jn.19:32-40
“Afternoon” – Buried
Mk.15:46c-47, Mt.27:60-61, Lk.23:53b-56b, Jn.19:41-42

. . . “the third day”, 16 Nisan, First Sheaf Wave Offering, “Sabbath”, begins :

“Began to rest”
Lukas 23:56c

“Morning” – Guard
Only Mt.27:62-66
“Afternoon” – Resurrected
Only Matthew 28:1-4

. . . the fourth day, 17 Nisan, Sunday, begins :
“The Sabbath past”
Only Mark 16:1

“Early darkness”, first sight of opened grave
Only John 20:1-2

“So shall the Son of Man have been in the heart of the earth for three days and for three nights” when raised from the dead “for a sign”! Matthew 12:40.

 

[Eliyahu]

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. . . “the third day”, 16 Nisan, First Sheaf Wave Offering, “Sabbath”, begins :


“So shall the Son of Man have been in the heart of the earth for three days and for three nights” when raised from the dead “for a sign”! Matthew 12:40.

YOur souces must be flawed. Day of First Fruits are always the First day of the Week. ( Lev 23:11-12), it was the next day after the Sabbath, not the Sabbath.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Eliyahu
"Your souces must be flawed. Day of First Fruits are always the First day of the Week. ( Lev 23:11-12), it was the next day after the Sabbath, not the Sabbath."

GE

No, sorry, really, yours are! Day of First Sheaf is on any day of the week and it was the first day after the 'sabbath', not the Sabbath of the week, but the 'sabbath'-day Nisan 15 after "The Day of Preparation Of The Passover" Jn19:14, Nisan 14. Your view is 'based' upon the so-called but indemonstratetable 'Saddusaic'-view.
( Lev 23:11-12),

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I have before challenged many scholars to present but a single authentic 'Saddusaic' illustration of the 'always after the weekly Sabbath' incidence of the Day of First Sheaf Wave Offering. Allow me to supply you this little information surer than the Laws of Newton: It does not exist!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Post 23
Your sources must be flawed. Day of First Fruits are always the First day of the Week. ( Lev 23:11-12), it was the next day after the Sabbath, not the Sabbath.

GE

Allow the Scriptures - Post 22 - to speak for themselves, and there's NO discrepency or difficulty in the chronological sequence they themselves create and follow!!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Antiaging
"It happened on a Wednesday and not a Friday. He was taken off the cross before the sabbath began, but the sabbath that is refered to is the Sabbath of the passover feast, which was on a Thursday. "

GE
Where does it say ".... the Sabbath of the passover feast, which was on a Thursday"? It never says it! You take it from the air!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Antiaging
"It happened on a Wednesday and not a Friday. He was taken off the cross before the sabbath began, but the sabbath that is refered to is the Sabbath of the passover feast, which was on a Thursday. "

GE
Where does it say ".... He was taken off the cross before the sabbath began"? It never says it! You take it from the air!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

It says He was taken from the cross "After that it had been evening for quite a while already". (The Greek, that is.) Mark 15:42 and Mt27:57.

Noticed how changed in the newer 'Translations'? WHY????

It says Joseph closed the grave "While being afternoon the Sabbath nearing." (Luke 24)

Noticed nobody ever attempted to change this? But have you noticed how they changed the very same word for the very same time of the day in Mt28:1 the third phrase? WHY????

Why MUST the body be taken BEFORE sunset, while the Scriptures directly opposite instucted the body of a cursed should not hang on the pole ALL NIGHT, but be removed from the pole before SUNRISE and that same day must be buried? (Dt21:23)

 

[EdSutton]

YOur souces must be flawed. Day of First Fruits are always the First day of the Week. ( Lev 23:11-12), it was the next day after the Sabbath, not the Sabbath.

With all respect, Eliyahu and Gerhard Ebersoehn (and all other BB'ers following this thread as well, for that matter), I repeat what I said about Matt. 12:39-40 here and say the same thing about Lev. 23. Let the Scripture speak for itself, in its own context, and not attempt to read into it what we may wish to see. This was written by Moses, who was quoting a pretty good source, I think.

1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

The Sabbath

3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

The Passover and Unleavened Bread

4 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”

The Feast of Firstfruits

9 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the LORD. 13 Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the LORD, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin. 14 You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

The Feast of Weeks

15 ‘And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. 16 Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the LORD. 17 You shall bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are the firstfruits to the LORD. 18 And you shall offer with the bread seven lambs of the first year, without blemish, one young bull, and two rams. They shall be as a burnt offering to the LORD, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, an offering made by fire for a sweet aroma to the LORD. 19 Then you shall sacrifice one kid of the goats as a sin offering, and two male lambs of the first year as a sacrifice of a peace offering. 20 The priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the LORD for the priest. 21 And you shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you. You shall do no customary work on it. It shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
22 ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the LORD your God.’”

The Feast of Trumpets

23 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 24 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. 25 You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD.’”(Lev. 23:1-23 - NKJV)

I could have quoted the whole chapter, but this will suffice to show a couple of things. There were multiple "feast days" referred to as a "Sabbath", and they all are called "holy convocations" with attendent 'restrictions' incumbent upon them. There are some that are referred to as "holy convocations", but not specifically described as "Sabbath" but that seems to be the gist, even so, as an example, 15 Nisan (Abib) or "Firstfruits", which I believe to be identical with the "High day", named in John 19:31. All "Sabbaths" were holy convocations; why was it necessary to designate this particular one (15 Nisan) as "a High day", if not for the first feast day of "unleavened bread" ? (Lev. 23:6-7) Also, two 'feast days were specifically not said to be "holy convocations", namely Passover [14 Nisan, "when the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed" "between the evenings" (Lk. 22:7 - HCSB; Lev. 23:5, Num. 9:3 - YLT)] and 'firstfruits', normally, apparently observed, as another has noted, 16 Nisan. However, the text does not give this specific date, but merely references it as "after the sabbath". It is not 'on a sabbath', hence ruling out its occurring on the 'seventh day sabbath', as well as any other 'Sabbath'.

Hence if, as I contend, 14 Nisan (and the ensuing crucifixion of the Lord) occurred from "sundown Wednesday to sundown Thursday (or the fifth day of the Hebrew calender week), 15 Nisan (or "first of Unleavened Bread" - a Sabbath ) was on the sixth day of the Hebrew week, 16 Nisan was from sundown Friday thru sundown Saturday, the seventh day of the Hebrew week - a "Sabbath", and our Lord came forth from the tomb the first day of the (next) week, on "Firstfruits", which was that year 17 Nisan.

(FTR, and I won't go into this in any depth, here, but both a 'Friday' crucifixion or a 'Wednesday' crucifixion require the Lord to 'violate' the prohibition of traveling a greater distance than a "Sabbath days' journey" on the Sabbath, as well. And I will also note that it took 2000 years for the phrase "between the evenings" to become clear, as to the meaning, as well.)

Our Lord fulfilled all the types, including being our "Firstfruits" by being both the Passover Lamb slain, and presenting himself, the priest, as the firstfruits of the dead, as well. (I Cor. 5:7; Rev. 5:12; Lev. 23:19-12; Ps. 110: 4; Heb. 5: 6, 10; I Cor. 15:20, 23)

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

There are two signs of getting old! The first is you start to forget things; the second is - uh- uh- uh -u...

I forgot to add two things to my last post. I am familiar with the fact that Matt. 28:1 has 'sabbatOn', a plural form of Sabbath, as Eliyahu pointed out. That has to mean more than one, as he surmised.

Second, Gerhard Ebersoehn asks

Why MUST the body be taken BEFORE sunset,...?

Um, John 19:31 again? The Sabbath started at sundown. And one, following the 'Mosaic law', doesn't do any work on a Sabbath, maybe??

(BTW, this is, again, why that 'Passover' and 'Firstfruits' were not Sabbaths, unlike several other feast days.)

Works for me! Even though I have never, in my entire life, had any 'allegiance' to the precepts of the 'Mosaic law', in any form - for as a Gentile, I never had it, and now, as a Christian, I'm not now, nor have I ever been, under it.

Ed

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Ed Sutton,
"Hence if, as I contend, 14 Nisan (and the ensuing crucifixion of the Lord) occurred from "sundown Wednesday to sundown Thursday (or the fifth day of the Hebrew calender week), 15 Nisan (or "first of Unleavened Bread" - a Sabbath ) was on the sixth day of the Hebrew week, 16 Nisan was from sundown Friday thru sundown Saturday, the seventh day of the Hebrew week - a "Sabbath", and our Lord came forth from the tomb the first day of the (next) week, on "Firstfruits", which was that year 17 Nisan."

GE

Perfect, but for your added afourth day, Nisan 17. Where did you get that from?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Eliyahu,
"When the Bible said " it was almost( nearing) the Sabbath" it doesn't mean the regular sabbath but the High Sabbath. It is very very sure. Bible kept the silence about the distinction there, between High Sabbath and Regular Sabbath. However, what we can imagine is the atmosphere of the feast. Normally, people rested in the feast joyfully during these Sabbath."

GE
Where Luke says "the Sabbath was coming on" he speaks of the very same day that started where Mk and Mt say "The Preparation started which was the Fore-Sabbath", at the same time - as Jn says, "being a Great Day" --- It was Friday which was also the Feast Sabbath-Day. On this day says Jn, they buried Jesus there because of the Jews preparations / Preparation Day". Mt recalls thses 'preparations' where he speaks of "the following morning after the / their preparations" when the Jews went to ask to seal the grave because it was the third day already.
It is very very sure, Eliyahu! The Bible kept NO silence about the distinction here, it makes extra effort to explain it fully! Here in this place it distinguishes between High Sabbath and Regular Sabbath by implication also, but not, directly! What we can imagine the atmosphere of the feast was like, should be Passover-orientated. The three 'first' days of the Passover must each stand out clearly. Normally, people rested in the Sabbath joyfully during the Feast; nevertheless, on the Feast Sabbath, only 'servile' work - work for gain - was prohibited. But whereas even a burial was prohibited on the weekly Sabbath, on the Feast Sabbath it was compulsory. Look at the history of the Exodus where the remains of the lamb had to be returned to dust the after it was slain.

 

[EdSutton]

Ed Sutton,
"Hence if, as I contend, 14 Nisan (and the ensuing crucifixion of the Lord) occurred from "sundown Wednesday to sundown Thursday (or the fifth day of the Hebrew calender week), 15 Nisan (or "first of Unleavened Bread" - a Sabbath ) was on the sixth day of the Hebrew week, 16 Nisan was from sundown Friday thru sundown Saturday, the seventh day of the Hebrew week - a "Sabbath", and our Lord came forth from the tomb the first day of the (next) week, on "Firstfruits", which was that year 17 Nisan."

GE

Perfect, but for your added afourth day, Nisan 17. Where did you get that from?

Except that I never "added" a fourth day. That is your reckoning, not mine. I am merely identifying them on a calender.

Although the first day of the week is certainly 'the "forth" day'.

The problem I see with a 'Friday' crucifixion, is that it does not allow any way for any of the following phrases of "after three days" (Mt. 27:63; Mk. 8:31), "the third day since these things happened" (Lk. 24:21), or "so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Mt. 12:40) to have any sort of normal meaning whatsoever.

But the 'Thursday crucifixion' do!

Nor does it require one to 'adjust' (Read 'torque', 'twist', or 'wrest'!) other Scriptures to 'fit', either.

Ed

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Ed Sutton,
"(FTR, and I won't go into this in any depth, here, but both a 'Friday' crucifixion or a 'Wednesday' crucifixion require the Lord to 'violate' the prohibition of traveling a greater distance than a "Sabbath days' journey" on the Sabbath, as well. And I will also note that it took 2000 years for the phrase "between the evenings" to become clear, as to the meaning, as well.)

Our Lord fulfilled all the types, including being our "Firstfruits" by being both the Passover Lamb slain, and presenting himself, the priest, as the firstfruits of the dead, as well. (I Cor. 5:7; Rev. 5:12; Lev. 23:19-12; Ps. 110: 4; Heb. 5: 6, 10; I Cor. 15:20, 23)"

GE

It is most encouraging I see we agree on some important aspects! I praise the Lord and thank Him for it! All the more reason is it for us to reach agreement on the thing we differ in. I say from the most simple to the most complex 'prophecies' concerning Christ it from the beginning was clear Jesus would rise from the dead "In the Sabbath / on the Sabbath, in the very light of its being". Could this be said of the First Day, one might have expected it the day of Jesus' resurrection; but we find nothing of the kind concerning the First Day in the Old Testament the Word of sure Prophecy and Promise of God's speaking to us in these last days in the Son.

 

[TCGreek]

Was Jesus raised on the first day of the week like the Scriptures say He did?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

This is how I was taught to count from grade one until this very day - there are some trustworthy axiomas in life:
One =14 Nisan (and the ensuing crucifixion of the Lord) occurred from "sundown Wednesday to sundown Thursday (or the fifth day of the Hebrew calender week),

Two=15 Nisan (or "first of Unleavened Bread" - a Sabbath ) was on the sixth day of the Hebrew week, Thursday night and Friday day'

Three=16 Nisan from sundown Friday through the Sabbath Saturday daylight until sundown Saturday, the seventh day of the Hebrew week.

Christ rose "the third day / on the third day / in the third day / after two days". The ONLY 'idiomatic expression' of this single truth is found in the use of the word 'after' in the phrase, "after the third day", where the 'idiomatic' meaning is clearly the l;iteral meaning of all the other descriptions of the day upon which He rose from the dead, which was the third day of Christ's being in the claws of death and the pangs of hell. It ended on the third day, in it, and upon it - yea, even through it!

On 17 Nisan He appeared first to Mary Magdalene very early on the First day of the week.

 

[TCGreek]

And what day would that be on our calender?

 

[EdSutton]

Was Jesus raised on the first day of the week like the Scriptures say He did?

Absolutely! He was NOT raised on the Sabbath!

With all respect, Gerhard Ebersoehn, there is not one verse of Scripture, that I'm aware of that ever even implies the Lord could or would be raised on the Sabbath, anywhere. I am certainly no great Greek scholar, by any stretch, but I think you are arriving at bad exegesis of Matt. 28:1, on which to build this. That verse does not stand alone against all other Scripture, on this, but must be read in a harmonious effort. Secondly, the exegesis of such, ignores the plural "Sabbaths", as well.

Ed

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Was Jesus raised on the first day of the week like the Scriptures say He did?

GE

What a way to put your question! I cant tell whether it's intentional or not, but recognised the trap any which way.

One: The Scriptures foretold Jesus would rise on the Sabbath; then: It confirms He did rise on the Sabbath both on strength of the principles of Divine Rest on the Seventh Day and of historic actualisation of God's foreordination in so many words -- words you won't find in newer translations because the true words have been changed to undergird the allegation of a Sunday-resurrection. Conscience plays no part; it's old fashioned and too unpretentious.