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Cults?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by KeeperOfMyHome, May 2, 2003.

  1. Bro. James Reed

    Bro. James Reed New Member

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    Please explain to me how this is a put down. BTW, when did I ever say I lived like this? I just happen to know many in our faith who choose to.

    It is bad when other Christians will look down on someone or a group for practising things that are taught in the Bible. I think a good example would be feet washing. Many groups look down on us Primitives because we do this. Many say it is just too dirty, but they forget that Christ the Savior did this exact thing. Once again, I will say that this is a condition of living in the world. We all will do it at one time or another.

    Just as was mentioned, women wearing long hair and keeping their heads covered. These are both mentioned in the Bible, so why say someone is in a cult because they practise what the Bible teaches?

    I think we need to be really careful before we start judging the way others live their lives. If anything, we should look at ourselves first. Especially when the people we are judging are the ones who are trying to follow as close to Biblical practice as they know how.

    Plus, I find that those who are living this way tend to be a little closer in their walk with God. It is a way to get out of the mainstream of the world we live in. We have to live in the world, but we don't have to be a part of it.
     
  2. Thankful

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    Amen, Brother, Preach it!!!

    But one must remember that this works both ways.
     
  3. donnA

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    No, mentioned, but not taught. Not your saying people who don't wear dresses only and cover their hair are not being obedient. Now see, I ahve never said that about the people, but others have more then once said it about me, just like you did. Your are I ssumen addresseing me, and I have never told anyone they were in a cult becasue of their dress and covered hair. So lets get that straight. Don't accuse me falsely.


    And I'm not becasue I wear pants and don't cover my hair?? Are you accusoing em of something. See how many times you've done to me just what you say is being done to others and shouldn't be done? So your one to talk about what others need to be doing or not doing when you can't stop doing it yourself.


    So what your saying is those who wear only dresses and cover thier hair are closer to God then those who wear pants and do n ot cover their hair????? Just who do you think you are to make this judgement about me and others on here who do not conformt to YOUR standards.
     
  4. Bro. James Reed

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    Getting a little defensive, aren't we? :rolleyes: When did I ever say I was refering to you? When did I ever say these were my standards?

    No offense, but it is beginning to look like you have a guilty conscience about this subject. I think you have seriously misconstrued my comments, and it appears that you are trying to "pick a fight" with me.

    BTW, do you honestly think that many Christians have not begun to conform to the ideals of the world? Just look at all of those who have turned from the church. You can even look at some churches and see how they have turned away from the old paths.

    AGAIN, let me state, this is not my "standard" on how we should live, but I do see how people who behave, dress, and look in these ways are less "in the world" and more spiritual. That is not to say that any and all of either group will fall into this criteria, but the ones that I personally know would.

    Now, just as with any scripture that one would hear, the only people who should be offended by my comments are the ones who fit in the category of judgmentals. If you are not judging people on the way they lead their lives, and they are godly people who are living godly lives, then my comments should have no bearing on you. But, quite frankly, the way you were so fast to come at me with allegations that I falsely accused this or that, it seems as if I'm stepping on your toes a bit. Why is that?

    Of course, there is always the possibility that you read my posts wrong, so I would suggest that you re-read them. I said absolutley nothing that should offend anyone who is not being judgemental of anyone elses practises. That goes for either side of the issue, BTW.
     
  5. Mitsy

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    Just for the record, my beliefs are basically Baptist, although NOT a member of any church currently. I attend a Primitive Baptist Church, although the Primitive people are not legalistic at all (at least not at the one I attend). The women there wear pants outside of church, but they wear skirts/dresses to church. You will see most of them with makeup and cut hair, so they are not "Primitive" in their style of dress.

    Before that, I attended a United Pentecostal Church for over a year and a half. Loved the people, the activities, and the fellowship. With the exception of maybe 2, these women did not wear makeup, pants, or cut their hair. I was sort of a black sheep but was treated like I was "one" of them. There was never any preaching on the dress standards either. If there had been, I would have been out of there very quickly.

    I left because they believed you HAD to pray in tongue to be saved. My Baptist roots were too strong in that I would never ever believe that was a necessary sign of salvation. I never got that "gift" and never felt the need to. I do not make assumptions about people as to whether they are saved or not and don't consider it my place to "ask". Because this group basically believed that only "their" denomination had the truth, I was convicted to leave it. I don't believe that Jesus is a denomination, Baptist or otherwise. However, after I left, I learned that a great many people in the community thought they were somewhat cultish. However, to this day, I still miss the people and have never found just the "right" church since. :(

    [ May 04, 2003, 01:46 AM: Message edited by: Mitsy ]
     
  6. donnA

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    Bro. James,
    First off, you quoted and replyed to me, if you were not speaking to me then you should have said so, or not quoted me while you were speaking to someone else.

    Second, I have a perfectly clear conscience on what I wear, dresses adn pants. I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone, but your comments were out of line to me.


    Never once has this been done on this board. And you just don't know the right people obviously. Dress or pants have nothing to do with spirituality.
    I ahve yet to judge anyone on what they wear, their spirituality. Are you accuseing me or something? If not why did you say it in a post you are speaking to me in? Yes you have faslely accused me, and more then once, and I do not appreciate it. Is this a picture of your spirituality?
    Maybe you should be the one to go back and reread what you write so as not to falsely accuse me again. You going to accuse me of something you'd better be able to back it up.
     
  7. Dr. Bob

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    Might as well answer a personal email publically!

    I was asked about the 9-point list Josh McDowell gave on defining a cult and if so-and-so would then be classified as a "cult, cultish, cult-like".

    Public answer? Yes they would.

    Oh, you'd like to know who he was talking about, wouldn't you?
    Ruckman and entire KJVonly movement
    Hyles and the Easy believism 1-2-3-pray-after-me movement
    Legalism (false standards) movement
    Gothard and the I'm-more-spiritual-than-you-are movement

    You got my opinion. Go through McDowells list and see if I'm right. Sure that someone will say we should add
    "Dr. Bob and all 5 pointers" to the List!! :eek:
     
  8. Wisdom Seeker

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    Diane, this happened to me just a couple of days ago here. Someone , because I refused to answer her accusations to her satisfaction. Assumed I was an unsaved Liberal, and that I was lying about being a fundamental Baptist. I don't respond at all to people who are rude and confrontational. I refuse to be bullied. And because I would not answer her until she changed her tone, she assumed her accusations were correct and treated me abominably ill thereafter, as if she had some God ordained right to.

    The Bible has a lot of advise on how to treat people. You can quote these verses until you are blue in the face...but in the end, You can lead a person to the Bible, but you can't make them read. If a person lets their personal pride come before their being spirit lead while speaking to other believers, there isn't anything you can say to desuade them from acting like this.

    In Christ,
    Laurenda

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