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DACA! Should they stay or should they go?
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Hold on. You're saying if Rubio or Kasich (or I suppose Cruz, Jeb, or others) had run on building a Wall and making Mexico pay for it, had ran on deporting illegal immigrants, massively increasing defense spending, spending billions on infrastructure, opposed Common Core, favored ripping up NAFTA, believed climate change was a hoax, etc. etc. AND had been politically incorrect, saying all the goofy things he said like about the blood coming out of Megyn Kelly's eyes, mimicking a handicapped person, insulting the Mexican federal judge, calling "lock her up" when talking about Hillary, "grab 'em by the ....", calling for the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton, wouldn't release his tax returns, said that Ted Cruz's father was involved in the JFK assassination, said John McCain wasn't a war hero, etc. etc. that any of these Republicans would have also won the Presidency?
No, no, no, no. There is an element of personality that drove some Trump voters. He attacked the media. He's an outsider that said he was going to drain the swamp. A lot of his supporters loved that stuff. Rubio, Kasich, et al. are insiders that would never drain the swamp.
C'mon now, 777. You follow the polls, you understand them. His base is much stronger than the 15% that you claim. The guy could shoot someone in Times Square and his poll numbers wouldn't be affected, they'd probably go up. (Where have I heard that?)
Or where have we heard of someone writing a play in which he is assassinated or show him decapitated or another person of fame threaten to blow up the white house or a famous actor comparing oneself to john Wilkes Booth.
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HankD
What in the world are you going off on now?
Maybe you should start a thread about it. You seemed intensely interested in this subject. This thread is about DACA.
You asked ITL . Hey you went off about Rubio, Kasich, Cruz and Jebb... in #43
HankD
This is a common appeal to emotion. The problem is that, while they were brought here as children, and we all sympathize with that, they're not children any more and are now responsible for their own failure to attempt to follow the law.
If you're a citizen, why should you be deported?
Here's the President "leading" the fight to overturn DACA, something he could do with a pen.
Probably already said but the problem stems from Obama's over-stepping the constitutional process - he had no right to do what congress should do.
Trump is right - Congress creates law - Presidents enforce law.
Rob
True, but Obama's action was a directive to INS and DHS to not pursue DREAMERs for deportation, to make them the lowest priority. As the enforcer of the law President Obama simply chose not to enforce it in this case. A dereliction of duty, for sure, but something he could do.
So the response Trump took was to create a time-line allowing Congress time to fix the problem Obama created - if they don't then those without citizenship must leave the U.S.
This places the burden on a "do-nothing' Congress with only 66 working days scheduled for the year.
Rob
This places the burden on a "do-nothing' Congress with only 66 working days scheduled for the year.
Rob
If Congress doesn't fix the problem the DREAMERs will be eligible to be deported. Does not necessarily mean the administration will actively seek them out for deportation, though.
Yes, but it's a nice strategy. Trump is saying, "Here, Congress. Fix this. If you don't I'll be empowered BY YOU to remove these people if I so choose." He's put them in a box.
You can bet if Congress doesn't act that they will sue the administration in court to stop Trump from any action to deport. They will probably sue the administration in any event.
Well, the candidate wouldn't have had to do all of that but after Obama, yes, conservative populism was a winning strategy.
This issue - illegal immigration - was the key, not wondering if climate change was real, opposing Commie Core (many states already had dropped it), ripping up NAFTA (and TPP, anti-globalism), the Wall (Mexico was never going to pay for in a literal sense, GOP has babbled about a fence for years), or increasing defense spending (GOP always does, always), the infrastructure thing was a bit unconventional, but notice that it was FOR America.
The other stuff - the political incorrectness, the media-bashing helped too. Megyn brought it on herself by gunning for him and gloating that she'd shake up the race, some nerve. The other things he was trolling again because he is Donald Trump and the grabbing comment was another example of the unfairness and the bias of the MSM, it was a private conversation held years ago (and took down Billy) the media held onto for months and released it late to optimize maximum damage
The MSM drew the comment that Trump could shoot someone and still win was a troll's response to a leading question, the MSM will never learn.