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Dangers of the Grace Movement

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Squire Robertsson

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Nope, the Admin Council didn't like someone who came into our living room showing poor manners. He wasn't banned for his positions. He was banned for non-interaction This is a discussion board. Mr. Anderson didn't discuss. He held forth and seemingly expected the rest of us to kow-tow and accept his positions without question.
BillyShope said:
I would assume you guys are all happy with your dispensationalist, Christian Zionist, pre trib pastors. I'll side with the Bible and those who preach it.
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Yeshua1 said:
Sounds like he might be one of those who just accepts pauline epistles as legit to us for today!
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You got it! Only rarely would the pastor refer to a verse not found in the Pauline epistles. Incidentally, the book of Hebrews would not be a part of the Pauline epistles. Here, I remain in agreement. The pope decreed that Paul was the human author of Hebrews and most of the non-Catholic churches climbed on board.
 
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BillyShope said:
You got it! Only rarely would the pastor refer to a verse not found in the Pauline epistles. Incidentally, the book of Hebrews would not be a part of the Pauline epistles. Here, I remain in agreement. The pope decreed that Paul was the human author of Hebrews and most of the non-Catholic churches climbed on board.
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I'm sorry. This comment refers to those in the Grace Movement and NOT to those associated with pastor Anderson.
 
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BillyShope said:
You got it! Only rarely would the pastor refer to a verse not found in the Pauline epistles. Incidentally, the book of Hebrews would not be a part of the Pauline epistles. Here, I remain in agreement. The pope decreed that Paul was the human author of Hebrews and most of the non-Catholic churches climbed on board.
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That viewpoint would mean that water baptism not really part of the new Covenant, and that we would have the really weird deal with the Apostle peter claiming Paul as an Apostle, and yet that would not be accepted as to us! And since paul Himself quoted Like as being scripture,. would they have to include Luke/Acts also?
 
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To me, the authority of Hebrews as Scripture does not depend on if Paul wrote it. It was "God-breathed." As such, Hebrews has the same authority as any of the other books in the Bible.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Red flag would be no college experience, as while not required, God does have schools set up to do learning and training through!
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Best pastors I personally know never went to seminary. One who got a Doctorate refers to it as "his days in the cemetery."
Yes, formal education is good, but not necessarily essential.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
That viewpoint would mean that water baptism not really part of the new Covenant, and that we would have the really weird deal with the Apostle peter claiming Paul as an Apostle, and yet that would not be accepted as to us! And since paul Himself quoted Like as being scripture,. would they have to include Luke/Acts also?
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Yes, it's pretty weird. Grace Movement pastors never baptize. And, only those verses quoted by Paul are, to these people, meant for us. Their adoration of Darby and Scofield mean that they take great pride in their "understanding" of Second Timothy 2:15 and their version on "right division." Few members ever read the context of the Timothy verse nor do they consider the meaning of "word of truth."
 
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Reynolds said:
Best pastors I personally know never went to seminary. One who got a Doctorate refers to it as "his days in the cemetery."
Yes, formal education is good, but not necessarily essential.
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Not a requirement, but the Lord has provided Seminaries and such to learn the languages, learn the scriptures, and developed tools for the ministry!
 
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BillyShope said:
Yes, it's pretty weird. Grace Movement pastors never baptize. And, only those verses quoted by Paul are, to these people, meant for us. Their adoration of Darby and Scofield mean that they take great pride in their "understanding" of Second Timothy 2:15 and their version on "right division." Few members ever read the context of the Timothy verse nor do they consider the meaning of "word of truth."
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They want to do away with all things Jewish in the NT, so why even have Jesus still?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Its not an either/or, but both, as he has gifted to the church spiritual giants to have the pastors/teachers of today to learn from, in addition to the Bible.
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The point I made is that many with advanced degrees look down on those who do not have them. It has been my observation that God can use a person in a mighty way, even though that person has no formal education. Many times a man with no formal education who is on fire for spreading the Gospel and ministering to the hurting is much more useful than a man with a double doctorate who would rather debate Calvinism and Study ancient Greek than engage in practical ministry.
 
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Reynolds said:
The point I made is that many with advanced degrees look down on those who do not have them. It has been my observation that God can use a person in a mighty way, even though that person has no formal education. Many times a man with no formal education who is on fire for spreading the Gospel and ministering to the hurting is much more useful than a man with a double doctorate who would rather debate Calvinism and Study ancient Greek than engage in practical ministry.
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The person who is om prayer and fully relying on the Holy Spirit enabling them is much better off than one who just has vast head knowledge!
 
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It seems like the doctrinal statement of Grace Christian Fellowship is completely contradictory:

We believe that the Bible, both Old and NewTestaments, is verbally inspired by God, without error in the original writings, and is the supreme and final authority for every aspect of faith and life...

We find in Paul’s writings alone the revelation, position and destiny of the Church.
http://ggfusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/GGF-Doctrinal-Statement-2017.pdf
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How can they both claim that the Bible is the supreme and final authority and then say that only the writings of Paul are the supreme and final authority?
 
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