Dating a charismatic

[TCassidy]

Let's see if I understand some of the issues.

1. evangelist6589 had convictions against drinking alcohol, but he read a book and now drinks alcohol.

2. evangelist6589 had convictions about keeping his vows to God, but read a book and violated his vows.

3. evangelist6589 had convictions against divorce, but he read a book and divorced his wife.

4. evangelist6589 had convictions against charismatism but he read a book and now is considering dating a charismatic.

evangelist6589, here is my heartfelt advice. With your lack of sufficient foundation, being blown about by every wind of doctrine, having an easily led astray mind, and apparently being unstable in your thinking, and being held captive by the last book you read, whatever you do, whatever you read, do not, I say again DO NOT read the book The Joy of Gay Sex.

PUT THAT BOOK DOWN!

 

[evangelist6589]

No, not "nevermind" (it's one word).

We are talking about the Word of God....it's not such a trivial matter. This thread has introduced (re-introduced) several issues which need to be evaluated by Scripture. I try to do that. You know that I do not hold to liberal theology and that I take Scripture as being prescriptive. I am one who thinks that when we believe in Jesus we do so as Lord and Savior, so I believe that we are to be obedient to Scripture. You, at one time, believed that way but now you are on the cusps of divergent (in practice you have already abandoned the theology you think you hold, you just have not come to that realization).

Brennan Manning was right when he said “The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.”

And now you are saying that my words indicate a "plank" that needs to be addressed. Well? Address it. I need to know.

I do not hold to liberal theology [edited].

 

[evangelist6589]

If she flatly refuses to be reconciled, then it may be better for you to re-marry than fall into sexual sin of other sorts (adultery, prostututes, internet porn etc.). However, you need to understand how God hates divorce and to be a little more convicted of your sin than you appear to be.

I have said many times that I made a mistake in filing for divorce and should not have done that.

 

[exscentric]

Wow, took couple months off the board and you get divorced. Guess I should pay more attention, missed that one all together. Since it is obvious you don't listen to anyone but yourself and disagree with most everyone, why do you frequent this place? Now, won't say another word, just want to share a story.

When pastoring in the Midwest years ago a man started attending our church. After awhile I noticed he was very sound doctrinally and I asked if he would like to become more active. He quietly declined telling me that he was married to a charismatic woman and that there was division in his home and that he did not feel adequate to be involved in the church.

Over time he told me of some of the problems he faced. She refused to allow the kids in our church, only hers. She would pray in tongues when they were in bed together. She called me the son of Satan.

One Sunday I learned that she had been in every home in the church when the husband was away trying to spread her false doctrine.

One Saturday night the Lord led me to change my sermon to one relating to charismatic doctrine. She showed up for the first (and last) time. I closed in a short prayer, I looked up and she had used the exit.

The man came to me after the service and said, "She really needed that."

We moved on shortly after that and I do not know how the story ended but I know the man was in constant turmoil due to his wife's beliefs.

Remaining unmarried would be a wise sort of thing to do before God but ...........

 

[JonC]

I do not hold to liberal theology .

Where, in method, do you believe you differ from the liberal method of interpretation?

Here is why I believe you do hold to liberal theology:

At one time you taught (not only believed, but publicly taught) that the Bible did not prohibit Christians from drinking, but that for you it was a sin because you were addicted to Mikes Hard Lemonade. You also noted that Christians needed to keep in mind those who struggle with alcohol and recommended that we abstain. Now you determine anyone who is opposed to drinking alcohol is a legalist and it is within your Christian liberty to drink Mikes Hard Lemonade (the exact drink that you were addicted to in the past). What is the change in the doctrine? NOTHING…it is exactly the same. The ONLY thing that changed in regards to drinking is that you feel justified in satisfying your fleshly desire (that addiction you spoke of a few years back).

Scripture teaches that Christian liberty is something that we lay down for the conscience of a brother. You were unwilling to lay down Mikes Lemonade for your own wife. You interpreted Scripture to mandate your wife follow your lead as “man of the house” rather than abandon alcohol for your wife’s sake. This violates the command that we set aside our desires for the sake of others and the command for husbands to love their wives.

And then you divorce your wife, saying it was a mistake. A mistake is putting on one blue sock and one red sock. What you did was a sin, and it was sinning with a “high hand”. Then you come to this board and interpret Jesus’ words about divorce to justify your actions.

And you come on this board calling members here into action in your “war against the Charismatics”. Now what you oppose is women preachers….the rest of Charismatic theology is just wrong…women preachers, on the other hand…..

Maybe you are right. This is more liberal than liberal theology ever dreamed to be. In fact, it is not theology at all. It is anthropology.

 

[Don]

Matthew 7:6
Proverbs 26:4

 

[Rolfe]

I hope that there is no connection between this thread and the one in which Evan states that he is looking for a room-mate.

Is the church really good at meeting needs of its people?

 

[JonC]

Thread has nothing to do with Baptist theology or Bible study and since I see no place it belongs I am closing it. Sorry for the short notice but there really is no topic here.