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It all depends on how you interpret these words. If the word is deaconess, not "wives" then women can be deacons.Romans 16:1
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant[ 16:1 Or deaconess] of the church in Cenchrea.
(Whole Chapter: Romans 16 In context: Romans 16:1-2)
1 Timothy 3:11
In the same way, their wives[ 3:11 Or way, deaconesses] are to be women worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything.
NIV
This was not the intent in the NT church. Deacons were to be servants. Look at what they were "called" to do.Some churches have elevated the office of "deacon" to some sort of "board of governing" or "ruling", an animal totally unknown in the Bible or early church
Yes, they did choose men specifically here, but what was the duty of a deacon? To help make sure the widows got their daily distribution of food. How does this responsibility go against the instruction for women in Timothy? It doesn't.1In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Grecian Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food. 2So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, "It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables. 3Brothers, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them 4and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word."
5This proposal pleased the whole group.
Originally posted by Maverick:
All of us are to be servants, which is what the word deacon actually means. There is an office of servant that has some authority in it and that is reserved for a man, but his wife must be a good Christian or he cannot fulfill his mission. The same as a pastor's wife.
However, for deacons it mentions what their "wives" must be like. The word "wives" can actually be interpteted deaconesses.1 Timothy 3:1Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer,[1] he desires a noble task. 2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.
8Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. 9They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. 10They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.
11In the same way, their wives[Or way, deaconesses] are to be women worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything.
12A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
Originally posted by Maverick:
Is it not interesting that none of this stuff has ever been an issue for centuries until we have entered into the age of apostasy that started in 1881?
Dr. Bob is exactly right. The problem is not with women deacons per se, it is with women and men deacons who acts as Elders. Biblical church leadership will prevent unbiblical office appointees.Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
Deacon can mean either an official office or simply a servant of that church. Context will help define which is which.
Can a woman be a deacon"ness" or servant of the church? Of course. And she would have the same authority and power of a male deacon!
NONE. Think about it. What power and authority does a servant have? What decisions does a servant make?
Some churches have elevated the office of "deacon" to some sort of "board of governing" or "ruling", an animal totally unknown in the Bible or early church.
Hope this helps.
There is no biblical rationale for women serving in all capacities. Interesting how liberals who deny the authority of God’s word flee to a biblical rationale when their subjective choices need “authority”.The booklet is Why Women Ministers? - A Biblical Rationale for Women Serving in All Capacities of the Ministry of the Church" by Mike L. McKinney.
Wrong. Male headship is not a result of the fall, but was instituted in creation with marriage, which is a type of the believer’s relationship to Christ as bride and Husband.1. Because, in Jesus Christ females are removed from the rule of males which came about as a result of the Fall of Humanity.
There has never been a separation into different values for men and women before God; all people have the same creative value; but there is also a creative ordinance of distinction between men and women in function.2. Because in Jesus Christ, the barriers come down that separate and categorize people into different levels of spirituality and ministry; this includes separation of male and female spirituality.
The prophecy of Joel has nothing to do with the offices of the local church and the particular call to the pastorate.3. Because the New Covenant in Jesus Christ includes the fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel. (Joel 2:28-32)
Again, as above, this has nothing to do with the offices of the local church and the particular call to the pastorate, unless one believes every pastor must be a prophet. However, the appeal to the NT is incomplete, leaving out the clear passages for the sake of the unclear (a reverse protestant hermeneutic):4. Because women are identified as prophesying (preaching) in the early Christian church.
There is a lot of kingdom work which does not involve the pastorate.5. Because Jesus in his earthly ministry never limited women to a subordinate role in his kingdom work.
Again, does witnessing/evangelism/missions equate with the pastorate, clearly set off for males?6. Because Jesus called upon women to be the first to proclaim the message of His revelation.
As understood in context, and in light of the clear passages in Titus and 1 Tim, this is a poor proof for women elders. AS MacArthur states:7. Because I Cor 14:34-35, when understood in its biblical context, does not restrict the ministry of women in the church.
Again, poorly exegeted. Other NT passages clearly rule women out of certain positions. And “ministry” in the church is not limited to the pastorate.8. Because I Tim 2:8-15, when understood in its biblical context, does not restrict the future ministry of women in the church.
Katie: you are so right!Originally posted by katie:
Alex the verses you mentioned tell us that a decon is a man, a woman does not have a wife, so the decon is a man. And in Acts when they choose the first decons, they specified that they were to be men.
Women being ordained decons is not biblical, and is modern feminism, which is anti biblical.
Sure a woman can be a servant, like has been mentioned in an earlier post, but ordaining them is not biblical.