It is not exactly, as you say. Calvinists believe God saves people while they hate Him, and that God makes us born again first, THEN He causes us to believe in Him. That is not biblical.
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Dead to the Ten Commandments
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It is not exactly, as you say. Calvinists believe God saves people while they hate Him, and that God makes us born again first, THEN He causes us to believe in Him. That is not biblical.
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Rom 7:4
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that[for the purpose] ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Dead to the Law so that they could be married to another, in other words, Christ Death must have already been applied to us, in that all of God's Law and Justice has been satisfied, and we owe no obligation whatsoever to God's Law, which is only the case if Christ has died for us, and then we are loosed from the covenant of works, the Law, so that we may married to another, that is, to come into fellowship with Christ, However, if one still be a debtor to the Law, we must remain married to it, Christ having not dissolved the indebtednessness, because their sins of lawbreaking were not charged to Him !
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that[for the purpose] ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Dead to the Law so that they could be married to another, in other words, Christ Death must have already been applied to us, in that all of God's Law and Justice has been satisfied, and we owe no obligation whatsoever to God's Law, which is only the case if Christ has died for us, and then we are loosed from the covenant of works, the Law, so that we may married to another, that is, to come into fellowship with Christ, However, if one still be a debtor to the Law, we must remain married to it, Christ having not dissolved the indebtednessness, because their sins of lawbreaking were not charged to Him !
Abraham and Isaac were Gentiles. Everyone previous to them were Gentiles. Jacob was not called "Israel" until later in life and it is his immediate children that came first to be called "the children of Israel" or Israelites.
God's moral law was imparted to man from Adam. It is that moral law that constituted "the way of the Lord" that Abraham obeyed and taught his children to obey.
The Law of God is simply the revelation of the righteousness of God (Rom. 3:21-22) and the Covenant with Israel was the most comprehensive revelation of the righteousness of God until God Himself was revealed in the flesh. The revelation of God's righteousness is written upon the conscience of the Gentile in a minimal expression. The Law Covenant as a public formal contract at Mount Sinai was between God and Israel only. However, in principle it is the same fundemental law written in every man's conscience that reveals the righteousness of God.
natural men receives NOT the things of God, as they are spitiually discerned!
Natural man at enmenty towards God, enemies to God...
natural man preders to walk in the darknes, hiding from the Light...
God enables up to be able to receive the Gospel, grants usan open heart/mind, and grants faith to us, and we than decide for christ and are saved!
Lean not on your own understanding is a scripture that explains to you that you do not have to understand the things of God, but after you do what God says, God will make it clear to you.
That does not say all are born without being able to believe in God after learning of Him. That is a belief of the reformed, and they have been pounding that in people’s heads for a long time.
Not all prefer to walk in darkness.
God opens the hearts and minds of believers. The scriptures do not say God makes unbelievers believe by opening their minds and hearts to make them believe in Him.
In addition, I have shown you that even believers can be thrown with the unbelievers.
Matthew 25: 28 “‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29 For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
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John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
--It is speaking of ALL unsaved people. All mankind is depraved and therefore love darkness rather than light. Verse 21 speaks of the saved. They are the ones that love the truth.
Does any human enter the world as a beleiver????
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Those who are being condemned are UNBELIEVERS and no human comes into the world as a believer.
Do you know anyone that comes into the world that is not both an UNBELIEVER and a LOST SINNER??
He is talking about those who come into the world as UNBELIEVERS and LOST SINNERS! Is there any human that comes into the world other than Christ that is not an UNBELIEVER and a LOST SINNER?
That is who he is talking about. In verse 21 those who do not love darkness and who are not unbelievers have been CHANGED by God and the evidence is they come into the light!
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
1 Cor. 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
>Abraham and Isaac were Gentiles. Everyone previous to them were Gentiles. Jacob was not called "Israel" until later in life and it is his immediate children that came first to be called "the children of Israel" or Israelites.
IMMATERIAL! Unless God makes ex post facto laws.
>God's moral law was imparted to man from Adam. It is that moral law that constituted "the way of the Lord" that Abraham obeyed and taught his children to obey.
In this context does "imparted by unilaterally imposed unconditional covenant/contract? Please spell out this moral law.
God's covenants are cumulative. The new does not replace the old. God's covenants are with/applied to specific sub sets of humanity. God's covenants are either unilaterally imposed or mutually agreed to. God's covenants are either conditional or unconditional.
God's "Garden Contract" was universal and unilateral but we don't understand it. God's contract with Noah was universal and unilateral but we at least have the words of the covenant and they make (better) sense.
God's Torah/Law covenant was made with the people who came out of Egypt with Moses. It did not include the people in the Americas. It obviously could not include anyone north of the Arctic Circle.
IMMATERIAL! Unless God makes ex post facto laws.
>God's moral law was imparted to man from Adam. It is that moral law that constituted "the way of the Lord" that Abraham obeyed and taught his children to obey.
In this context does "imparted by unilaterally imposed unconditional covenant/contract? Please spell out this moral law.
God's covenants are cumulative. The new does not replace the old. God's covenants are with/applied to specific sub sets of humanity. God's covenants are either unilaterally imposed or mutually agreed to. God's covenants are either conditional or unconditional.
God's "Garden Contract" was universal and unilateral but we don't understand it. God's contract with Noah was universal and unilateral but we at least have the words of the covenant and they make (better) sense.
God's Torah/Law covenant was made with the people who came out of Egypt with Moses. It did not include the people in the Americas. It obviously could not include anyone north of the Arctic Circle.
There has only been one "everlasting covenant" (Heb. 13:20). That covenant was progressively revealed until it climaxed in the cross. That is why we read such statements like Acts 10:43; 26:21-22; Heb. 4:2; Mt. 7:13-14; Jn. 14:6; Acts 4:12; Lk. 24:24-25, 44-45; etc. that teach there has only been one gospel, one way, one savior, one salvation from Genesis to Revelation.
The "garden contract" was between God and unfallen humanity.
The righteousness of God or His holiness has always been the standard which is revealed in conscience (Rom. 2:14-15) or in human laws (Rom. 13) or in Mosaic Law and ultimately in the incarnation of Divine righteousness - Jesus Christ (Rom. 3:22) that all mankind have come short (Rom. 3:23). It is always revealed as "conditional" to demonstrate man's inability to merit the conditions.
Therefore, whatever manifestation of His glory (conscience, government, law; Christ) "no flesh" has attained to it and thus "all the world" has been condemned (Rom. 3:19-20).
Take note that Abraham is given as the example of our own justification by faith and what is a true gospel believer (Rom. 4; Gal. 3:6-8) proving that the way of salvation, the gospel, the Savior has not changed but is according to the "everlasting covenant" (Heb. 13:20).
The Mosaic law manifested both the righteousness of God in the civil administration and the salvation of God through faith in Christ in the ceremonial administration. All previous covenants contained both revelation of His righteousness and salvation in progressive forms until the cross. The conditional refers to the righteousness of God through law while the unconditional refers to the provision of the righteousness of God through Christ.
However, all sin and all salvation for the past, present and future stems from and stands on the very same fundemental basis as reported by Paul in Romans 3:24-26.
All conditional contracts serve to demonstrate and reveal the righteousness of God and how man cannot merit it.
All unconditional contracts proclaim the provision of grace through Christ that does merit it.
Hence, law and grace serve a negative and positive UNIFIED purpose working together to reveal the righteousness of God and why man cannot merit it but why it must be by promise based upon grace.
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Of course, no one enters the world a believer. That does not mean all prefer darkness. There is no reasoning in your reasoning.
Try to explain how no one entering the world a believer means they do not prefer that which is good to that which is evil.
Children, from the time that they are born, prefer to tell lies than to tell the truth. They prefer to be selfish rather than to be selfless. They choose evil over good. They are born with a sin nature, and their nature demonstrates it. They must be taught to do good; it is not in their nature. From birth they are accustomed to do evil.
You and yours may be accustomed to doing evil, but that does not mean all are.
If all people were accustomed to evil and love darkness instead of light, then the scriptures would not say, "But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
Unless they are saved, who lives by the truth and comes to the light?
Muslims? Sikhs? Hindus? Terrorists? Who?
Jews would be people who lived by the truth and came to the light. God-fearing Gentiles who lived by the truth, but who were not yet offered salvation through Jesus Christ. Other people live by the truth, but are in false religions, such as Catholics. Anyone when doing any good deed is living by truth, expect when they will not come to the light and acknowledge what they do is through God.
Read the book of Judges.
A Levite took his concubine, but her up into 12 pieces and sent one chunk of her flesh to each tribe. There was a God-fearing Jew.
Samson was a Judge, and a God-fearing Jew who committed adultery on a number of occasions.
These God-fearing Jews offered on the altars of Baal a number of times.
They wandered in the wilderness for 40 years because of their rebellion.
Manasseh made his children to walk through the fire, sacrificing his own children as human sacrifices.
The summary is that they did not live by the truth. They lived more in rebellion more often than not.
The Catholics are as much as a false religion as the Hindus are. They don't have the gospel and don't preach it. They walk in darkness, not in light.
Notice the accusation; the personal attack:
"YOU are a contrary person...."
Instead of arguing from Scripture you attack the person. When you have nothing left to say, cannot defend your position you attack the person. This is not debate. It is against the rules.
GE:
The whole context, verses 45-48, shows APOSTLES in charge under the Holy Spirit.
One ... No one but apostles received authority from Christ to baptize and they, NOWHERE received such authority with water mentioned the element of baptism.
Two ... Here specifically in Acts 10 the actual wording, phrasing and literal and INTENDED meaning may surprise every 'normal' Christian.
The text, in fact, strictly, should read,
"They of the circumcision who BELIEVED
[not, who were baptised with water],
were ASTONISHED ... because that
on the Gentiles ALSO
[ as on themselves ]
was POURED OUT
[ that is, they were ALSO, 'baptised' with ]
the gift of the Holy Spirit
for they heard them
[ the Gentiles, like themselves ]
with tongues of praise magnifying God.
THEN
[ or 'on strength of' their magnifying of God ]
Peter answered
[ on behalf of the Gentiles ]
Water CANNOT forbid anybody be baptized!"
... “BE baptized”, by the free "gift" of God of his "Holy Spirit"!
Which means, as though Peter saying,
What we have seen before our own eyes happening, is enough; it is the baptism required of God, which baptism, "... forbid, water CANNOT!" Because "they, just like us, received the Holy Spirit!" … which baptism, "... forbid, water CANNOT!"
"They just like us, received the Holy Spirit! THEN PETER
[ AN APOSTLE ]
commanded them to be baptized "IN THE _NAME_ OF THE LORD" (Matthew 28:19b).
Conclusion,
Water could not baptize anyone in the Name of the Lord; especially not if anyone not an apostle might try to baptize anyone and especially not if that "anyone to be baptized", has had received the baptism by the gift of the Holy Spirit of God.
Water-baptism is not New Testament or Christian or of faith; it is affectation by those who say they are apostles of Christ but are no apostles of Christ.
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