Dealing with Fundamental Baptists

[Don]

Then the Apostle Paul would be disqualified from the ministry.

How do you figure?

 

[evangelist6589]

You don't get to set the agenda of restoration and forgiveness when you've wronged someone.

Like I said previously, forgiveness doesn't always equal forgetness in a professional setting. One instance of a former staff member comes to mind: He was asked to leave our staff (in another church) because he openly criticized the Senior Pastor and was spreading false rumors about two ministry assistants in order to get his wife a job. After some time away he came and asked the leadership for forgiveness and apologized for his actions to many in the church. While we accept his apology and offer forgiveness, we'll never hire him again. That isn't wrong on our part. Though his sin has been removed he still has to deal with the effects of it.

I agree it's Arbo, it's time for you to move on.

Then why do you read the Apostle Paul? He would be disqualified from the ministry.

 

[evangelist6589]

How do you figure?

Because he did plenty of wrong prior to his conversion. He also had arguments with some in the ministry and opposed Peter to his face. I'm sure he was quite divisive.

 

[evangelist6589]

Then this is where my Way of the Master training comes in handy. I have and am able to confront, open air preach, and get in some peoples faces.

The proper term is "fundamentalist" not "fundamental."

The "ist" makes a difference in this discussion. The fundamentals of the faith should be the items we all agree upon wholeheartedly in order to be Christians. Fundamentalism or fundamentalist, however, is something else entirely, often a legalistic bunch of Pharisaical believers who have in essence written their own theology and doctrines that set them apart from orthodox Christianity (though that is certainly not universal).

Regarding your exploration of fundamentalistic schools, you have just run into what I describe above. If one is not already in their crowd, it is unlikely that one would be included later from outside.

 

[evangelist6589]

Perhaps you are correct. Maybe I should email. Dollars to donuts I dont get a specific answer.

Brother, my heart goes out to you, but it may have nothing to do with past events. It is extremely difficult to get hired on at any fundamentalist school right now because of the economy.

I've recently talked to those in the know at several different schools, plus my son has been sending out resumes for a teaching job and is finding it hard sledding, though he has two master's degrees from fundamentalist schools and is finishing up the dissertation stage for his Ph. D. Whatever jobs you are applying for at that school probably have many applicants, so I suspect any job there would be hard to be hired for.

All fundamentalist schools that I know of are down in attendance, meaning new hires will be scarce. What students are doing is getting their basic freshman courses at community colleges to save money. Then in many cases they go to school for a year then take a year off to earn money for the next year of school.

So things are hard all over. May God guide you in His perfect will for you.

 

[JesusFan]

You folks just can't give it a rest can you?

Think the biggest problems that I would have with Fundamentalists is there views regarding KJVO, and how many of them tend to take seperation to such an extent that have a hard time even fellowship with other true believers!

base this upon my personal experiences, yours might well be different!

 

[evangelist6589]

Okay sent an email John of Japan:

Dear Mrs. xxxx,

I have sent several applications & resumes for several positions in the last 3-12 months. However I have not been interviewed for a single one of them, even though my qualifications have been good. Are you swamped with applications, or is there something in my resume or cover letter that needs improvement and if so would you be so kind to tell me? I appreciate it.

Thanks..

John

 

[preachinjesus]

Then why do you read the Apostle Paul? He would be disqualified from the ministry.

Two things:

1. You are NOT the Apostle Paul.

2. Even Paul had to lay out from ministry for a while. Read Acts and notice even after his conversion Paul had to leave Israel to go away to Africa to spend time proving himself and growing so he could assume an apostolic ministry. Many of the first believers were wary of Paul and rightly so. In order to assume a ministry he had to take time to prove himself away from Israel.

 

[evangelist6589]

Think the biggest problems that I would have with Fundamentalists is there views regarding KJVO, and how many of them tend to take seperation to such an extent that have a hard time even fellowship with other true believers!

base this upon my personal experiences, yours might well be different!

Your opinion is not alone. Plenty of The Way of the Master evangelists have confronted me and called me a legalist!

A good fight would be this.

KJVO Jack Hyles Fundamentalist evangelists vs. Living Waters the Way of the Master evangelists


Who would win this fight? No question The Way of the Master evangelists would kick butt.

You know there is a very very very legalistic pharisee type church in Anderson, SC. I have had thought on a few occassions of driving down there and open air preaching right in front of the church. But to do so would be wrong… My open air preaching is for unbelievers!!!

 

[evangelist6589]

Two things:

1. You are NOT the Apostle Paul.

2. Even Paul had to lay out from ministry for a while. Read Acts and notice even after his conversion Paul had to leave Israel to go away to Africa to spend time proving himself and growing so he could assume an apostolic ministry. Many of the first believers were wary of Paul and rightly so. In order to assume a ministry he had to take time to prove himself away from Israel.

Well I emailed them and we shall see what they say. Perhaps we may be wrong on this one, or perhaps we may be right. Regardless I am a open air preacher and street evangelist. I am fully involved in doing that.

 

[JesusFan]

Your opinion is not alone. Plenty of The Way of the Master evangelists have confronted me and called me a legalist!

A good fight would be this.

KJVO Jack Hyles Fundamentalist evangelists vs. Living Waters the Way of the Master evangelists


Who would win this fight? No question The Way of the Master evangelists would kick butt.

You know there is a very very very legalistic pharisee type church in Anderson, SC. I have had thought on a few occassions of driving down there and open air preaching right in front of the church. But to do so would be wrong… My open air preaching is for unbelievers!!!

I remember that I was good friends with local christian bookstore owner who had a young man had his IBF church reopen a new building... Invited me to attend the openning, just requested that I wear a suite and bring KJV only!

I did that, enjoyed the ceremony, especially part when guest of honor, police chief, dedicated the building by reading IN OT the prayer Solomon made over the temple...

best part was that he read it out of the NIV!

trust me, one time only, never was read there before or again!

 

[Don]

Because he did plenty of wrong prior to his conversion. He also had arguments with some in the ministry and opposed Peter to his face. I'm sure he was quite divisive.

I think you're comparing apples and oranges.

When Paul confronted Peter, was his intent division, or was it to correct a wrong? Paul's intent was not to cause division within the body; it was to ensure inclusion of the Gentiles.
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What I can't understand about you is this: You apparently had a run-in or two with the folks at this school, who still remember it. Although you seem to have forgiven them for whatever trespass against you they did, you haven't actually indicated whether they've forgiven you for the trespass you caused them; nor have I clearly seen where you actually asked for their forgiveness on the matter. Instead, I see where you continually state they are/were in the wrong, and how you think you should go preach to them about their wrongs.

Then you have the audacity to wonder why they won't hire you.

Reverse the positions, and be honest with yourself: Would you hire you? If you can honestly answer yes, but they won't hire you; then you simply need to look elsewhere for employment. If you answer no, then work on fixing yourself before you ask them for employment again.

 

[John of Japan]

Okay sent an email John of Japan:

Dear Mrs. xxxx,

I have sent several applications & resumes for several positions in the last 3-12 months. However I have not been interviewed for a single one of them, even though my qualifications have been good. Are you swamped with applications, or is there something in my resume or cover letter that needs improvement and if so would you be so kind to tell me? I appreciate it.

Thanks..

John

This may get you an answer or it may not. One seminary dean I know never answers his emails. He told my son to get in touch with him about a job and then when he did he never heard back. This was in spite of the fact that my son knew the man personally and had a good relationship with him from a former school.

Have you gone in person or just sent mail? Oftentimes a personal visit, with the personnel manager or whoever is in charge of hiring will show you are serious. Call for an appointment of course.

 

[glfredrick]

Then this is where my Way of the Master training comes in handy. I have and am able to confront, open air preach, and get in some peoples faces.

I'm sure that your plan will be a viable way to get installed on staff somewhere... :BangHead:

 

[Arbo]

Then this is where my Way of the Master training comes in handy. I have and am able to confront, open air preach, and get in some peoples faces.

:laugh: Yeah, good luck with that approach.:laugh: