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Death penalty for molesters?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by El_Guero, Oct 30, 2006.

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  1. Yes, 2 strikes and you are out.

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  2. Yes, for some offenders, but not mandatory.

    23.1%
  3. No, for mandatory death penalty.

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  4. Not really sure, or other.

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Horsehockey. Prove this.
     
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    Just because an extremely depraved crime is not specifically described in the law does not mean that capital punishment is not otherwise appropriate for it:

    Deut. 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
     
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    This is the United States, not ancient Israel.
     
  4. El_Guero

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    I missed alot!!!

    But, for what it is worth . . . If God empowered civil authorities to rule the land, and they determine that a crime deserves death and is not un-biblical, we should support the laws of the land.

    IMHO. I am not certain that this should become a law, but if it does - I would support it.
     
  5. KenH

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    In a constituional republic, we the people, ultimately determine the laws of the land.
     
  6. pinoybaptist

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    I say put the sicko out of his misery right away. Kill him.

    Life in prison plus physical castration is inhumane.
    I knew somebody whose father was killed in front of him as a boy. When he turned 20 twelve years later, his father's murderer was just out of prison.
    He kidnapped the murderer who by then was comparatively weak physically compared to his 20 years.
    He then shot off the man's two kneecaps, shot off his two elbows, cut off his tongue, pierced his eardrums, and then blinded both eyes, then took the guy to the hospital, where the doctor amputated both legs and both forearms.
    He went to prison for one year, for serious physical injuries, because they couldn't prove he meant to murder or kill since he himself took the guy to the hospital.

    The guy lived. But he might as well be dead, if you know what I mean.
    What he did was cruel and inhumane.

    When you come to think of it, just putting these sickos out of misery by killing them is more humane than your suggestion, no offense intended.
     
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    OK . . . we are getting a consensus.

    :1_grouphug:
     
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    pinoy, you knew this guy?

    You know some interesting people. I am not saying the murderer did not deserve it but it takes a sick kind of mind to carry out that kind of physical torture. I am sure the jury took into account his father's death and all but I am not sure 1 year was enough time for that. Assalt with intent to maim is still a pretty serious felony.
     
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    I am frankly surprised.

    Sure, I'll prove it. Get a history book which covers ancient eastern/middle eastern customs for the period around 4000-8000 BC. Let me know which one you get. Then I'll get the same book and we can look it up together.


    OR, you can offer evidence to the contrary.
     
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    I knew it. Because you certainly cannot back up your claim about Levitical law, using Levitical law.

    To say they weren't human beings is quite a stretch, they certainly were more, in Moses' eyes.

    The penalty, in Levitical law, for bestiality, was death. Some people claim that was a hygeine issue, but I disagree. I think the children meant more to them, than cattle, using the words of Christ.

    I absolutely support death for molesters.
     
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    News flash: You didn't ask fof the claim to be "backed up" by Levitical law. In point of fact, I never said it did, but that the culture as a whole viewed them this way.

    That's why multiple wives. That's why Job's first set of young'uns were regarded as a loss of property.


    I was speakin from a historical perspective, and it is from that perspective I will "back up," as defending apples by looking at oranges -- what you insist I do -- is silly.
     
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    This is a good point.
     
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    Originally Posted by North Carolina Tentmaker
    Remember that a lot of sex offenders get taged for statutory rape when they are almost children themselves. Look throuh the sex offender rolls for your county. Most of the offenses will be for underage sex between two teenagers.

    In North Carolina though the victim has to be under 16 and the offender at least 5 yrs older to be charged with statutory rape. (Age of consent here is 16) Not any cases of a 16 yr old male charged with statutory rape of a 15 yr old girlfriend..at least here under North Carolina law.

    As far as the death penalty...I would be against if for no other reason than to protect the child. If a child molestor knew he would get the death penalty if convicted, why would he leave the child alive? He could just kill the child when he committed the crime and eliminate the key witness.
     
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    I pose the question again,

    Why is there ever a second instance of child rape? (after a previous conviction)

    No child rapist should ever, ever see freedom again.
     
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    Is "rape" synonymous with "molest"?
     
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    Some judges might disagree with me, but I use these words interchangeably. The effect on the child prompts me to use what I consider the more severe term.

    I do realize that if a state has a very restrictive statutory rape clause, and a 15 and 17 year old's "consenual" (not in the law's eyes, but you know what I mean) sexual union causes the 17YO to be convicted...no, that's not the same as child rape. But when an adult molests a child...no second chance. Life. Castration too, IMO.
     
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    Yes, NCT. I knew the guy personally. After his father was murdered, he had to be breadwinner for his siblings, at age eight, because his mother was sick with TB and he was the eldest son.
    Everybody thought the murder of his father did not leave a mark on him, but at 12 he became runner for gang of part time cattle rustlers coddled by corrupt cops, and at age 14 he was full fledged gang member, and that toughened him, I guess.
    I donlt know if he's as sick in the mind as the sickos we are discussing in the OP, but given the rage that he must have kept to himself, I can understand the reasoning that making the offender suffer by turning him into a living vegetable totally dependent on others even for his needs to dump (excuse the language) and clean himself is vengeance preferable to killing the offender, especially if one were an unbeliever in life after death.
     
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    I think some people use them interchangeably to mean the same thing: rape.
    Especially when they are being careful with their language, as in the presence of sensitive audiences like other children.
     
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    When you come to think of it, just putting these sickos out of misery by killing them is more humane than your suggestion, no offense intended.
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    I thought about this remark. Just recently in British Columbia, a single woman,,wait, living with a boyfriend,, gave birth,,no had a surgical delivery of a....two children, co-joined at the head.....they survived...not sure whether hey can be separated or not......

    Who will pay? Naturally,,,single mother,,the people will,,already over $400,000.00 in medical costs..........

    Now, think of the life. Wouldn't an abortion have been more humane?...........And yet, someone would dare to suggest it would be more humane to kill an adult!!

    Gasp!,

    Jim
     
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