Death penalty for molesters?

I believe Job's kids were much more than property, his children are mentioned as "born unto him", where his cattle, buildings, & such are considered "substance".

Also, Job sacrificed, on their behalf, and reasoned "it may be that my sons have sinned". (It is said that's because the head of the household did it, before the time of the temple, high priests & such...)

If they were just property, why would he bother ?

Anyhoo, that's how I understand it.

Oh, and I didn't mean my post to come out the way it sounded. "I knew it", meant that I knew an extra-biblical source had to have been used, but didn't mean it as a jab.

But I disagree, that Job considered his children property. Perhaps other religions in the east consider their children property, but certainly not any Christ-centered faith could feel that way.

 

But, Jim, think about it. Conjoined twins can be surgically separated, and raised to live normal lives, and hopefully, grow up devoid of any predatory, sick tendencies towards children.
On the other hand, those who do have predatory, perverse tendencies towards children and act on these tendencies have something psychotic in them.
I remember reading for example that nymphomaniacs and sex maniacs have this libido coming not from their organs but from deep within their psyche and their brains, causing them to act the way they do.
Imagine which one would be more cruel.
Putting them in prison for life, castrated and therefore without any avenue of release for the drives that enslave their psyche, or putting them out of misery through death.
I think God in His wisdom knew that the perfection in man when He created them was so marred by sin that sodomites are driven by the same demons within them as drives nymphomaniacs and sex maniacs, pederasts and perverts, and so ordered sodomites stoned to death.
He then puts them out of misery, and at the same time teaches His people that sin must be purged out from among them.
Now this is going to draw a lot of flack, and I am aware of that, but that is what I think.

 

They don't have to be imprisoned, especially in AMerican prisons, where there is no treatment. They can be hospitalized, where they can receive medical help, and treated humanely..not released to the public at large.

Some infants co-joined can survive. Most die at birth. This one was not expected to live, but did.

God did not order that homosexuals be stoned forever..There were some time and place specific, but it was not universal. I will not accept the universal thing.

There are people who have struggled with homosexuality all their lives. They have not acted upon it, but it is there just the same. Should they be killed? I don't think so. The fact is, they also truly born again believers, and live better lives than some I have seen about. God give me a church filled with such people, and you can have the kill-happy lot. I have seen enough of death and dying in my lifetime, thank you very much.

Cheers,

Jim

 

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The recividism rate of child molesters, particularly those of same-sex, is incredibly high. Treatment and medical help has not been shown to be of much effectiveness.

The best hope has been castration. One CNN report reported rates plummeting from over 80% to under 10% (ONE older source...I'll find my other ones somewhere & post them). Now, this was with chemical castration, which involves pharmacological maintenance. Physical castration requires no "upkeep."

IMO, castration is not inhumane to one who would rape a child. They are still suffering far less than their victim.

Ultimately, the only hope for pedophiles is the Gospel. And they can still be reached with the Good News after castration...but I think those steps must be taken in order to protect the public from these predatory individuals.

I must admit a bias in this discussion. A good friend of mine had to turn his pastor in...he discovered that the pastor of the church he served as an associate had molested several young children, and videotaped himself doing it. This scumbag "pastor" was married with children, and had pastored for over a decade (his record was clean, up to this point).

I've watched the absolute and total devastation of a church, family, and community. And the cretin who did this has the audacity--even with video evidence of his deeds--to plead "not guilty." Those poor kids of his--their mother had to tell them what their "father" had done to other little girls.

I feel fine about this guy never leaving prison. I'd feel even better if he were castrated. I think it's darn humane of us to offer anesthesia.

 

"Christ-centered?" This was a couple of millennia, at least, prior to Christ.

And it isn't about religion as much as it is about culture.

 

Well, I believe there has always been Jesus Christ, and can show several instances where I believe Christ makes an appearance in the O/T. I believe Job was a Christian, as David was. I guess we will have to disagree on that, and leave it at that.

The second statement is probably accurate.

 

All murderers and sex offenders should be executed the first time.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Seduction is not violent, usually.


Texas has the highest execution rate of all the States. Does it have the lowest murder rate?

 

Cinnamon?

You got it backwards - seduction can be molestation depending on the ages of the people involved. A nineteen year old who seduces a sixteen year old - even if it's true love - is considered a chilid molester under our laws.

See, that's the problem - usually that is true, but not always. What if the sixteen year old seduces the nineteen year old? It's been known to happen...but it would still be statutory rape on the part of the older person.

 

El_Guero, that's one of the main problems with this thread - molestation is never defined.

What is the older person's "intent"? Do all older people have the same intent? You don't define the problem well.

The other arguments concern the definition of "molestation."

 

HMMM perhaps, but of course not like Iran, but maybe with Christians (only the best ones, of course) at the helm.
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The old nature in me says "good for you young man" but the new man knows better.

Almost every one of these heinous criminals will face eternity apart from Jesus, and that knowlege should be sufficient for us. The penelties we empose mean little in eternity, but serve the purpose of deterence here and now.

 

There may have been societies back when, there certainly are today that treated woman badly but the Bible doesn't condone it. Man, and no other creature was created in the Image of God. Man in his sinful nature down through the ages has endured every form of sin, his fertile imagination could conjure up, and probably had help from the serpent.

 

I would have a terrible struggle with my old nature if someone were to harm one of mine, and so far the Lord has seen fit to spare me that. We still have a 13 year old "little girl" to get raised and sometimes I just want to hide her from the world, but instead we pray for her and her future husband's (Lord willing) well being. I can get worked up in these type of threads easily. I don't imagine I'm much different from most of you, except perhaps in the immaturity mentioned above.