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HatedByAll
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Yes, we have a debt of love to pay. We are directly told to love others because God first loved us. The verses below are what comes to mind when I think of this subject, but there are others. In other Scriptures we are told to Love the Lord such as Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart . . . and others even if it does not state there to love the Lord because He first loved us.
1 John 4:15- 23. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19We love him, because he first loved us.0If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 4:15- 23. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19We love him, because he first loved us.0If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
God’s undeserved grace to us flows from his love for us.
As a believer who has nothing of worth to offer a Self-sufficient God, I owe him my full devotion.
As a believer who has nothing of worth to offer a Self-sufficient God, I owe him my full devotion.
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved Ephesians 2.4,5
The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. Ps 103.8
we love because he first loved us. 1 jo 4.19
Robwe love because he first loved us. 1 jo 4.19
Perhaps, I should have stressed that I am looking not so much for the believer's obligation, but that of the unbeliever.
I have been looking for a Scripture that clearly states that humanity owes a debt to God - by humanity that includes both unbeliever and believer.
I have been looking for a Scripture that clearly states that humanity owes a debt to God - by humanity that includes both unbeliever and believer.
Paul makes the point that we are debtors to the Spirit and not to the flesh:
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh:
13 for if ye live after the flesh, ye must die; but if by the Spirit ye put to death the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Ro 8
This is a great verse! Thank you.
I wish I could find something concerning the unbeliever owing a debt, too.
"...he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust..." but the evil and the unjust aren't going to acknowledge being debtors or be thankful.
This is another great verse!
I recall something specific in the Scriptures concerning the matter of the debt humanity has, but I just cannot find it.
atpollard
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While not EXPLICIT, Romans 1 is clearly IMPLICIT that those condemned SHOULD have done what they did not do:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
Men owe God respect and gratitude, a debt for the shortfall.agedman... Let me give you an example and just like kyredneck on here and a few others I will use scripture and I will let you determine what it means... Brother Glen
Luke 7:40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
7:41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
7:42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
7:43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
7:44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.
7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
7:49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luke 7:40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
7:41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
7:42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
7:43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
7:44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.
7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
7:49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
I can help. No. There are no passages that say we owe God a debt.
Scripture says the wages of sin is death, so I guess you could say we earn death.
Thanks.
I really did think there was one, but apparently not.
I am so thankful for all those who posted verses. Each one helped.
This is an absolute wonderfully passionate passage.agedman... Let me give you an example and just like kyredneck on here and a few others I will use scripture and I will let you determine what it means... Brother Glen
Luke 7:40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
7:41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
7:42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
7:43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
7:44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.
7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
7:49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
I can feel the sting of Simon being rebuked, and the gentleness of the Savior in not just the salvation but the peace and contentment it must have brought to her.
thank you!
How often do we hear curses, when that language is just in general conversation and supposed humor.
No respect.
Children should have been taught that respect is given and can never be earned. Esteem can be earned.
atpollard
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[Luke 17:7-10 RSV]
All that God has commanded, is our DUTY to do.
All that God commanded mankind to do, that mankind did not do is ‘sin’ of omission.
Does mankind not owe God a DEBT of Obedience?
7 "Will any one of you, who has a servant plowing or keeping sheep, say to him when he has come in from the field, 'Come at once and sit down at table'? 8 Will he not rather say to him, 'Prepare supper for me, and gird yourself and serve me, till I eat and drink; and afterward you shall eat and drink'? 9 Does he thank the servant because he did what was commanded? 10 So you also, when you have done all that is commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'"
All that God has commanded, is our DUTY to do.
All that God commanded mankind to do, that mankind did not do is ‘sin’ of omission.
Does mankind not owe God a DEBT of Obedience?
- [Isaiah 29:16 RSV] 16 You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be regarded as the clay; that the thing made should say of its maker, "He did not make me"; or the thing formed say of him who formed it, "He has no understanding"?
- [Isaiah 45:9 RSV] 9 "Woe to him who strives with his Maker, an earthen vessel with the potter! Does the clay say to him who fashions it, 'What are you making'? or 'Your work has no handles'?
- [Isaiah 64:8 RSV] 8 Yet, O LORD, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou art our potter; we are all the work of thy hand.
I guess, technically, someone gives you a 'free' gift you don't 'owe' them anything, but when that free gift is immortality you ought to feel like you owe beyond measure.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Ro 6
15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.
16 And not as through one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment came of one unto condemnation, but the free gift came of many trespasses unto justification.
17 For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one; much more shall they that receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, even Jesus Christ.
18 So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness the free gift came unto all men to justification of life. Ro 5
I agree. We were purchased with a price far greater than silver or gold - the blood of Christ.