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"Deciding For The Lord"
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The 10 Commandments
Pretty worthless since people can't obey them. </font>[/QUOTE]Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Jesus didn't say the young man was lying, he had kept the comandments, only that he lacked something else, and it wasn't something that God was going to give him, but a "choice" he had to make based on where he wanted to place "HIS FAITH".
Mt 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
We can chose to follow the "lust of the flesh" for the things of the world or the "Spirit" for the things of God, like the young man, it's "OUR CHOICE".
Ga 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Ga 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
The plan of salvation doesn't change from person to person.
Calvibaptist
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Please, Me4. This man had NOT obeyed the 10 commandments. He THOUGHT he had. The whole exercise Jesus took him through was for him to recognize his failure to do what he thought he had done.
Joseph_Botwinick
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Every person has a decision to make. The lost person always chooses to live in the flesh and reject Christ, and the regenerate person always chooses Christ.
We all make decisions. That is not in question. What is in question is why we make those decisions. The Arminians will claim that we make those decisions because of some good that was already within us. The Calvinist will argue that we choose Christ because of the regenerating power of God working in our lives. I agree with the latter.
Joseph Botwinick
We all make decisions. That is not in question. What is in question is why we make those decisions. The Arminians will claim that we make those decisions because of some good that was already within us. The Calvinist will argue that we choose Christ because of the regenerating power of God working in our lives. I agree with the latter.
Joseph Botwinick
The young man had a choice between keeping all his "Earthly Possessions" which satisfied the flesh, and he expected to "secure" his future,
or selling those "earthly possessions", for the Spiritual things of God, and a "secure" future according God's word.
This same choice is offer to all men, with the following warning:
Ga 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Ga 6:7 for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Ro 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
God only calls/knocks on the door of the heart, he doesn't kick it down, we have the option of opening or keeping the door closed, depending on whether we prefer "earthly possessions" or "Heavenly possessions", just as the option was offer to the young man.
Come and follow me
[ May 13, 2006, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: Me4Him ]
I agree with God's calling, and that is made to many who refuse.
But God's calling is not salvation (regeneration), the call must be answered before we're saved.
No sacrifice, no remission of sins, Faith in Jesus, he becomes our sacrifice, then our sins can be forgiven,
but no faith in Jesus=no sacrifice=no remission of sin.
Remission of sin, (regeneration) Sacrifice, faith in Jesus, won't work, it's backwards.
Calvibaptist
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You are correct here. But God's calling is effectual (Those whom He called, these He also justified). It brings about the desired effect. God's calling regenerates, which brings about the faith that brings about justification, hence salvation.
Not sure who you are arguing against here. Calvinists do not believe that anyone is forgiven of their sin before they believe. The order would be: sacrifice (of Jesus), regeneration (by the HS), faith in Jesus, remission of sin.
Jesus cannot become your sacrifice because you believe. If that is the case, then salvation is wholely dependent on you. It is, indeed, the righteous work of faith that procures your salvation. That is another gospel.
Originally posted by Calvibaptist:
Calvinists do not believe that anyone is forgiven of their sin before they believe. The order would be: sacrifice (of Jesus), regeneration (by the HS), faith in Jesus, remission of sin.[/quote
Is Jesus going to be your sacrifice, "Before" you have "faith in him", I don't think so, you can't get to the father unless you go with/through Jesus, no faith in Jesus, no Jesus.
If that is the case, then salvation is wholely dependent on you. It is, indeed, the righteous work of faith that procures your salvation. That is another gospel.
According to Calvin, yes it is "another gospel", but according to scripture, calvin is wrong.
Ro 3:22 Even the righteousness of God
which is by faith of Jesus Christ
unto all (whole world)
and (already) upon all them that believe:
Ro 5:1 Therefore
(step one) being justified by faith,
(through our Lord Jesus Christ
(step two) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Lu 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Lu 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much:
God doesn't predestine any to love/hate him, that's "our choice".
Calvibaptist
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Me4, you have absolutely NO idea how language works, do you. The word "all" is limited in the very verse you quoted by the phrase "them that believe." It is not all of the group known as the whole world. It is all of the group known as "them that believe."
If I said you can have all the money in my savings account, that would not mean automatically (since I used the word "all") that you were entitled to every penny of every person in the world. It is limited byt the phrase "in my savings account." The same is true with the verse you quoted. It is all "them that believe."
Calvinists believe this.Ro 5:1 Therefore
(step one) being justified by faith,
(through our Lord Jesus Christ
(step two) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Calvinists believe this.
We have already chosen to hate Him. Those who love him do so because He loves them first.
1 John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us.
If God did not love us (specifically) first, we would never love Him. That love that God had for us first is His electing, predestinating love as described in Ephesians 1:4-6.
Ephesians 1:4-6 - just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
Not quite, Jesus's words were not "idle words", the woman's faith in him saved her, exactly as Jesus said and the above verse describe, and her faith was motivated by her "LOVE", which can't be "programmed into a person,Originally posted by Calvibaptist:
Ro 3:22 Even the righteousness of God
which is by faith of Jesus Christ
unto all (offer to whole world)
and (already) upon all them that believe:
Ro 5:1 Therefore
(step one) being justified by faith,
(through our Lord Jesus Christ
(step two) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Lu 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Lu 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much:
Calvinists believe this.
Love is the motivaton behind GRACE, which is without merit. (reason) You can't change the definition to suit each situation.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
having predestined to adoption us as sons by (our faith in) Jesus Christ to Himself,
If I was you, I wouldn't talk about the "reading comprehension" of anyone else.
StraightAndNarrow
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If you don't make a choice, you make a choice.
StraightAndNarrow
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Paul said that some follow him and some follow Apollos. You guys follow Calvin. Like Paul, I follow Jesus.
StraightAndNarrow
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You know you just look like a fool when you say things like that. Why not try being rational?
I think this is part of the falling away Paul spoke of, Each generation gets a little farther from God, still claiming to know God, but don't.
Be it Catholic, JW, Mormons, Calvinist, Arminian, whatever, they all have one thing in common, their doctrines were authored by a "man",
and few are willing to step back and take a look at their beliefs, examine it with a critical eye according to scriptures, be willing to accept whatever the spirit will show/teach, even if it condemns their present belief.
Today we find more "loyalty/faith" in "Denominations/Beliefs" than in God, many who say "lord lord" will burn, but I'm not going to trust my one chance in the hands of the "Pope, Joe Smith, Calvin or Armian", the "Holy Ghost" eliminates the need of any man/denomination to teach us, so the only excuse for remaining ignorant is refusing the spirit.
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
I'm not a Baptist because I believe what they believe, but because they believe what I believe and what the spirit has shown me, and if they didn't, I wouldn't be Baptist, Loyalty to God is first, denominations is second.
You butchered that text. Let me quote it for in totality:
Firstly, Paul was responding to reports in Corinth of division (schisms) within the church. People were forming clicks. Paul never said in this passage, "I follow Christ"; the Corinthians said it. And they were claiming to follow Christ not because of genuine piety, but because they were seeking to elevate their standing in the church. The same with those who claimed to be following Apollos, Cephas (Peter) or Paul.
You made a very smug statement and placed yourself in the same group Paul was writing about. You're acting no better than the Corinthians.
It is irrational to claim that people called "Calvinists" follow Calvin. Calvinism is simply a label that describes a doctrine. Many Calvinists (including myself) haven't even read Calvin. We came to our conclusions based on what the Bible says.
It would be equally irrational to say free-willers are followers of Arminius, not Christ. The funny thing is that I don't recall anyone ever saying anything like that on these forums. Yet Calvinists are constantly being accused of following Calvin instead of Christ.
I'd say, "I wonder why that is?" but I already know the answer.
Brother Bob
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"if you don't make a choice, you make a choice."
That is good SAN;
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