Decisional Regeneration? What about today’s popular “alter call”

[1689Dave]

Decisional Regeneration? What about Billy Graham? Charles Finney? And today’s popular “alter call” approach to the Gospel?

Jesus said, “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 (KJV 1900)

First, Jesus said whoever believes has eternal life. So at what point does salvation happen? If God saved them, it would have been in eternity for it to be eternal life. They would have experienced this salvation when they first believed according to Jesus. This would be before they responded to the altar call. They would have obviously believed or they would not have followed the altar call.

The problem happens when the preacher leads them to believe in "Decisional Regeneration" as the savior. This is much like the Catholic’s "baptismal regeneration". It's the same principle. So the damage amounts to shifting them away from faith in Christ which they already had before going forward. To have faith in their decision to follow Christ after going forward. So while many were no doubt saved when they believed enough to "go forward", the false “decision-based” gospel directed their faith back into themselves. Thinking they met the conditions of a gospel now turned into law and works. They are still saved, but horribly confused.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Firstly, there can be no salvation without the sinner both REPENTING and BELIEVING in the Gospel Message, as Jesus clearly says in Mark 1:15

Secondly, no sinner is saved without personally being involved in their salvation, which is a Gift, and like all gifts, must be RECEIVED.

Thridly, for the sinner even to BELIEVE, means that they must PUT their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, as their Saviour.

Fourthly, God does not REPENT and BELIEVE for the sinner, it is something they must DO, as is very clear from Acts 2:37-38

Any other way is a FALSE gospel, that can NEVER save any sinner!

 

[1689Dave]

Firstly, there can be no salvation without the sinner both REPENTING and BELIEVING in the Gospel Message, as Jesus clearly says in Mark 1:15

Secondly, no sinner is saved without personally being involved in their salvation, which is a Gift, and like all gifts, must be RECEIVED.

Thridly, for the sinner even to BELIEVE, means that they must PUT their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, as their Saviour.

Fourthly, God does not REPENT and BELIEVE for the sinner, it is something they must DO, as is very clear from Acts 2:37-38

Any other way is a FALSE gospel, that can NEVER save any sinner!

You are teaching salvation by works. Pure and simple.

 

[MB]

You are teaching salvation by works. Pure and simple.

Your statement is not true. You ignore the plan laid out by God and make your own.

And you teach salvation being forced upon the person whether they want it or not. No belief required, no repentance nothing is required. If a person ignores the requirement they simply cannot be saved. Christ Him Self established the requirements and they are not works. A work is by the Law and the Law is not involved. Your way makes God a liar. Your way is not found in scripture.
MB

 

[SavedByGrace]

You are teaching salvation by works. Pure and simple.

Where is the WORKS

 

[1689Dave]

Where is the WORKS

Earning salvation through obedience.

 

[1689Dave]

Your statement is not true. You ignore the plan laid out by God and make your own.

And you teach salvation being forced upon the person whether they want it or not. No belief required, no repentance nothing is required. If a person ignores the requirement they simply cannot be saved. Christ Him Self established the requirements and they are not works. A work is by the Law and the Law is not involved. Your way makes God a liar. Your way is not found in scripture.
MB

Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. = God must save you before you can believe.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Earning salvation through obedience.

so Jesus Christ got it wrong? Can you read what He says in Mark 1:15; Luke 24:47; and Peter in Acts 2:37-38.

It is so called "reformed" theology that is AGAINST the Teachings of the Bible!

5 Marks of Repentance by J. C. Ryle | Monergism

Conversion: Repentance and Faith | Monergism

Which Comes First: Repentance or Faith?

The Necessity of Repentance (eBook) | Monergism

Faith & Repentance | Monergism

Christ Came to Call Sinners, but to Call them to Repentance | Monergism

The Danger of Delaying Repentance | Monergism

Are these all wrong?

 

[37818]

Thridly, for the sinner even to BELIEVE, means that they must PUT their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, as their Saviour.

Matthew 19:14, ". . . Jesus said, Allow little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. . . ." At what age can one believe?

 

[1689Dave]

Matthew 19:14, ". . . Jesus said, Allow little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. . . ." At what age can one believe?

Human faith believes in Santa Clause. Biblical faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, one of the effects of being saved. Catholics have Santa Clause faith as do many Evangelicals and Baptists

 

[SavedByGrace]

Matthew 19:14, ". . . Jesus said, Allow little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. . . ." At what age can one believe?

I have heard of 5 year olds being born again!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Human faith believes in Santa Clause. Biblical faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, one of the effects of being saved. Catholics have Santa Clause faith as do many Evangelicals and Baptists

Deal with #8

 

[1689Dave]

so Jesus Christ got it wrong? Can you read what He says in Mark 1:15; Luke 24:47; and Peter in Acts 2:37-38.

It is so called "reformed" theology that is AGAINST the Teachings of the Bible!

5 Marks of Repentance by J. C. Ryle | Monergism

Conversion: Repentance and Faith | Monergism

Which Comes First: Repentance or Faith?

The Necessity of Repentance (eBook) | Monergism

Faith & Repentance | Monergism

Christ Came to Call Sinners, but to Call them to Repentance | Monergism

The Danger of Delaying Repentance | Monergism

Are these all wrong?

You have it wrong. How so? You ad"Chooses" to believe making it a work of the flesh. Whoever believes is a trait of the born-again. It tells them and others that God saved them. It's the evidence of things not seen.

 

[1689Dave]

Deal with #8

Deal with the Bible. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit you must have before you can have biblical faith.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Deal with the Bible. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit you must have before you can have biblical faith.

So all of these reformed Theologians are wrong and you are right

 

[37818]

I have heard of 5 year olds being born again!

So are little children before any new birth lost?

 

[SavedByGrace]

So are little children before any new birth lost?

All infants who die before the age when they can know right from wrong, the actual age God only knows, are guaranteed to go to heaven. Just as those who are mentally damaged etc

 

[1689Dave]

So are little children before any new birth lost?

Our substance is sin. Do you think abortion saves any before the supposed age of accountability?

 

[37818]

1 Peter 1:2, ". . . Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience . . . ."

Acts of the Apostles 5:32, ". . . the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him. . . ."

Romans 10:16, ". . . But they have not all obeyed the gospel. . . ."

2 Thessalonians 1:8, ". . . In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: . . ."

 

[SavedByGrace]

You have it wrong. How so? You ad"Chooses" to believe making it a work of the flesh. Whoever believes is a trait of the born-again. It tells them and others that God saved them. It's the evidence of things not seen.

Have you read Joshua 24.15? CHOOSE this day whom you will serve?