Decretal Theology,

[Charlie24]

K.

'All anthropos' includes both vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy (afore prepared unto glory).

Romans Chapter 9

22​	What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
23​	and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
24​	even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?

You 5 pointer's had to come from another planet we don't know about!

 

[kyredneck]

You 5 pointer's had to come from another planet we don't know about!

It's simple: vessels of wrath, and vessels of mercy, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles.

 

[Charlie24]

It's simple: vessels of wrath, and vessels of mercy, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles.

It's a simple reference to all of mankind.

You can't even take the Scripture for what it obviously says.

Got to hold on to the lies, and that's fine, you will face God with them.

 

[Van]

What weird, twisted, strange ways you interpret clear phrases.

Ever wonder why a certain group turns to against the person arguments, rather than addressing the doctrine at issue?

 

[kyredneck]

It's a simple reference to all of mankind.

K.

You can't even take the Scripture for what it obviously says.

??? You CDS types are the ones that go looney over Sovereign Grace.

Got to hold on to the lies, and that's fine, you will face God with them.

??? God brought me to this place.

 

[Charlie24]

K.



??? You CDS types are the ones that go looney over Sovereign Grace.



??? God brought me to this place.

I believe you are being honest! At the same time I would say you need to take another look at those verses we discussed.

The ones with all and everywhere in them. Sovereign Grace is looking past them.

 

[Charlie24]

I believe you are being honest! At the same time I would say you need to take another look at those verses we discussed.

The ones with all and everywhere in them. Sovereign Grace is looking past them.

That should be a yellow flashing light, a warning to be careful.

 

[kyredneck]

That should be a yellow flashing light, a warning to be careful.

Yea, about weird Christians like you.

 

[Charlie24]

Yea, about weird Christians like you.

Well, K, we're just passing through this place on our way to our real home with Christ.

I've thought many times to myself, have I got it right, not doctrine, that doesn't matter in the end.

Have I got my salvation exactly the way that God foreordained for it to be?

That is what we have to settle in our own minds and be sure of it.

If you have no doubts, as I have none, then you should feel at rest.

 

[Van]

1) Yes, the names of those saved, those Jesus was addressing, had been in the past written in heaven. Absolutely no support for before creation.

2) Yes, the Word, Logos, The Second Person of the Trinity, was chosen to be the Lamb of God, the Redeemer, Before creation. Not at issue.

3) Revelation 13:8 provides no support for claiming names were written "before" the foundation of the world.

4) No, from the foundation of the world refers to a time interval starting at the creation week and extending until the end of the age, thus names will be written in the future if the age lasts into the future.

5) Yes, God formulated a plan of redemption before creation, as shown by God choosing His "Lamb of God" before creation. And this predetermined plan was implemented according to God's prior knowledge when Christ was delivered over.

 

[Silverhair]

'All anthropos' - all races, "not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles".

Which would include all men KY. Not just some men as you wrongly assume.

 

[Silverhair]

There is not a logical argument or movement of the Holy Spirit that will change an ego-centric arrogant attitude of someone who believes false doctrine.

I agree completely and we see this in many of the C/R philosophical understanding.

 

[Silverhair]

K.

'All anthropos' includes both vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy (afore prepared unto glory).

Romans Chapter 9

22​	What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
23​	and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
24​	even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?

So are you saying that God does not want all people to repent?

Those that freely believe in Christ Jesus are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and through the sanctification of the Spirit we grow in Christ likeness so as to be prepared for our eternal home in heaven.

 

[kyredneck]

Which would include all men KY.

Yes. As I've said, all 'Anthropos', which includes both vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy (afore prepared unto glory).

Not just some men as you wrongly assume.

There's that juvenile claptrap of yours, I've never assumed that.

So are you saying that God does not want all people to repent?

Scripture:

Romans Chapter 9

18​	So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Still fighting Vanology?

I imagine @kyredneck looks like this now.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Only those credited with righteous faith are saved

You'll need to explain that term, as it nowhere appears in the bible, and it could quickly slip down several heretical slopes.

 

[Salty]

Six hour warning, this thread shall be closed no sooner than 930 pm

 

[Van]

You'll need to explain that term, as it nowhere appears in the bible, and it could quickly slip down several heretical slopes.

Read Romans chapter 4. Paul explains that the faith God credits as righteousness is rewarded. The inability to grasp the obvious indicates perhaps someone has already slid down the heretical slope of man-made false doctrine.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Read Romans chapter 4. Paul explains that the faith God credits as righteousness is rewarded. The inability to grasp the obvious indicates perhaps someone has already slid down the heretical slope of man-made false doctrine.

Right. God accounts a man righteous according to faith in Christ, based upon Christ's righteousness imputed to us, not the purity/perfection of our faith. There is no such thing as "righteous faith." That sounds more like some sort of holiness Pentecostal terminology.

 

[Van]

Right. God accounts a man righteous according to faith in Christ, based upon Christ's righteousness imputed to us, not the purity/perfection of our faith. There is no such thing as "righteous faith." That sounds more like some sort of holiness Pentecostal terminology.

Not what it says! You have the person being made righteous, rather than his or her faith being credited as righteousness. Big difference.

Romans 4:5 NASB
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
Here "his faith" refers to Abraham's faith.