Some folks believe God's decrees established an "architectonic or fundamental cognitive principle" that runs through the Bible. This may be true. But, then these same folks, say the order is: God, creation, human nature including our sin nature, the promised redemption, covenant law, Christ, the gospel and salvation, church and last things.
The problem is that the order is not from scripture, but the invention of man.
We can all agree, God comes first. Great we have common ground.
Now, what comes next? Did God know about the Lamb of God before the foundation of the world? Yes 1 Peter 1:20.
Did God have a plan for this Lamb of God, this Redeemer? Yes Acts 2:23.
Did God's plan of redemption, formulated before creation, include making those redeemed Holy and Blameless? Yes Ephesians 1:4
Did God's plan of redemption including choosing foreseen individuals with or without faith, before creation? Nope!
And why not, many should ask because Ephesians 1:4 says God chose us (referring to redeemed individuals) before the foundation of the world! The answer requires objective study, not the blind assertion of prior understanding!
If we had been chosen to be for "God's own possession" before creation, we would have always been "a people" and never "not a people." However, 1 Peter 2:9-10 says once we were not a people, we had not received mercy. Therefore we could not have been chosen "individually" but could have been chosen "corporately" as the target group of His redemption plan, believers whose faith God would credit as righteousness.
I will stop right there, because as far as I know, no poster has ever indicated understanding of the concept, let alone agreement. Some claim, this view does not include our individual election for salvation based on God crediting our faith as righteousness, but that is totally bogus.
The problem is that the order is not from scripture, but the invention of man.
We can all agree, God comes first. Great we have common ground.
Now, what comes next? Did God know about the Lamb of God before the foundation of the world? Yes 1 Peter 1:20.
Did God have a plan for this Lamb of God, this Redeemer? Yes Acts 2:23.
Did God's plan of redemption, formulated before creation, include making those redeemed Holy and Blameless? Yes Ephesians 1:4
Did God's plan of redemption including choosing foreseen individuals with or without faith, before creation? Nope!
And why not, many should ask because Ephesians 1:4 says God chose us (referring to redeemed individuals) before the foundation of the world! The answer requires objective study, not the blind assertion of prior understanding!
If we had been chosen to be for "God's own possession" before creation, we would have always been "a people" and never "not a people." However, 1 Peter 2:9-10 says once we were not a people, we had not received mercy. Therefore we could not have been chosen "individually" but could have been chosen "corporately" as the target group of His redemption plan, believers whose faith God would credit as righteousness.
I will stop right there, because as far as I know, no poster has ever indicated understanding of the concept, let alone agreement. Some claim, this view does not include our individual election for salvation based on God crediting our faith as righteousness, but that is totally bogus.
