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"in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."[Romans 8:4]

Now, where in that verse does it even allude to us having a choice to walk in the flesh or Spirit? Van, you are slowly revealing yourself with every post you make. Those who walk according to the Spirit are the saved, those who walk according to the flesh are the unregenerate. The unregenerate can no more choose to walk in the Spirit than I can choose to breathe under water without scuba gear.

 

Okay guys, I apologize...Van will not focus on Romans 9(just like his twin Steve Tassi), and I apologize I followed his rabbit trail.

 

No Van...

 

Oh my. I would LOVE to see this train wreck happen. Dr. White would mop the floor with him.

 

When someone has a pattern of making up their own idea of truth, the Greek text,history, they aren't going to be interested in the truth and we see that in every thread.
The Apostles could post on a thread and he will explain to them how they were.mistaken.
I will not forget how Archangel patiently dismantled these vain reasoning about a year ago but he ignored the offered help.
Now T.C. does the same thing but he ignores that which everyone can see, so apart from Divine intervention we will not see this.
It is like this Steve Tassimo fiasco. He opens by telling Dr. WHITE that no one likes to debate him.....
Of course not.....because he is going to bring and open up the scripture which Tassi could not do....he was the proverbial deer in the headlights....
When asked to explain jn 6:44 his first words he said James White.....lol James White said just explain the text without using my name....lolbUT he had no ability to even begin as he has no understanding.

 

Hi SG, you are every bit as much an Open Theist as I am. You do not believe God is the author of sin.

Did anyone see any argument in support of the bogus views of Dr. White? Nope.

Will they post another pathetic attempt to change the subject to my character and qualifications, rather than address the topic? Wait and see.

 

Turning once again to Dr. White's bogus assertions, at 54:00 on the video, he indicated that God tries but fails without the cooperation of the lost according to the Arminians view. Does anyone believe man can thwart the plan of God? Of course not. So God does not fail, He accomplishes His goal in a different manner than the bogus assertion of Calvinism. God chooses people for salvation through faith in the truth. Thus His plan is to choose those whose faith He credits as righteousness. So God desires all people to be saved, His desire is for them to be saved according to His purpose and plan. Thus God does not fail when folks reject Christ. Or accept Christ superficially. Or accept Christ but continue to treasure things of this world. Or have so hardened their hearts they do not even understand the gospel. God only chooses those who bring Him glory by repenting autonomously while in a fallen state.

 

Van, .

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

I am sure there was supposed to be a point to post 71.
Now referring to Romans 9:11, as I noted, God chose the younger over the older, thus based His election on characteristics of the babies. And this election was not for salvation. Election for salvation is through faith in the truth, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

Now turning to Romans 8:6, for the mindset of the flesh... is how it reads. The idea is that if we set our mind on fleshly desires, the result is death. But if we set our minds on spiritual things, life and peace. Thus if we set our mind on fleshly desires we cannot please God. However if we set our minds on spiritual milk, life and peace.

 

Yes I.T.- The natural man cannot welcome the things of God. When a person wrests and distorts scripture it is evidence they do not have a grasp of truth at all. Romans 8 cannot be written clearer than it is. False teachers change the wording to no longer have the word of God. Romans 8 shows two men.....men of flesh, men of the Spirit. Some posters cannot seem to understand ,just like Steve Tassi.

 

"Van,

I am sure everyone but you can understand the point.

Where do you dream up this stuff....

 

[QUOTE="Van,\

No...wrong again;

More literally (as there are no verbs in the original) the Greek reads…

For the thinking of the flesh -- death, the thinking of the Spirit -- life and peace.

Wuest expands the Greek…

For to have the mind dominated by the sinful nature is death, but to have the mind dominated by the Spirit is life and peace (Eerdmans)
Phronema refers to one's "way of thinking". The direction or orientation of human thought is warped by sin. Human beings without the Spirit are both unable and unwilling to grasp spiritual realities, and so they rebel against God. In short, they don't really know how to "think straight"! Keep in mind this refers to spiritual truth, not algebra, web design or writing a symphony, etc (1Co 2:14). What Paul is saying is that the direction or orientation of human thought is warped by sin. Human beings without the Spirit are both unable and unwilling to grasp spiritual realities, and so they rebel against God.

 

Folks, Dr. White's presentation has been shredded. All the posters have is "taint so" and you are mistaken. IT has no idea what post 71 attempted to demonstrate. Icon says 1 Cor. 3:1 does not mean what it says. The Icon says Romans 8 says what it does not say. Next he denies God chose so the older would serve the younger (verse 12). Next the claim is made that the election of the twins was for salvation. Never-mind "Esau I hated." The actual idea is that God can choose one baby for one purpose and another baby for another purpose, He has the creators right. Next with scripture saying we were chosen through faith in the truth, the claim is made faith is evidence of salvation. Never-mind Romans 5:2 where faith provides our access to the grace in which we stand. Finally, they attempt to rewrite Romans 8:6.

Now turning to Romans 8:6, for the mindset of the flesh... is how it reads (NASB). The idea is that if we set our mind on fleshly desires, the result is death. But if we set our minds on spiritual things, life and peace. Thus if we set our mind on fleshly desires we cannot please God. However if we set our minds on spiritual milk, life and peace.​

 

Is it deja vu all over again?

SG answered these false ideas already,Van...maybe you missed it-

That is the beauty of it SG......in Vanology you do not have to be concerned about what the text actually teaches,which words are used, how the church has understood it. No worries.....you just invent your own version of whatever is on your mind.

 

"Internet Theologian,

It looks as if you and SG are the only other people who read these misguided posts....

You offer help and correction that is not read ....

Yes...this is the same thing we see in most of his posts....rewriting, so he no longer deals with the text.


The comparison is not of believers among believers, but of the believer and the lost. But you know this and carry on while ignoring the evident.[/QUOTE]

correct....