Define Arminianism, Pelagianism, Semi-Pelagianism

[JDale]

Arminianism does indeed = Semi-Pelagianism.

Semi-Pelagianism is called that for a reason.It's not the mid-point between Pelagianism and Calvinism;otherwise it would be called Semi-Calvinism ( and we know there is no such being).Arminianism has characteristics of Pelagianism in its system.Arminianism is not full-fledged Pelagianism but it tends to that serious departure from orthodoxy.The Synod of Dort pronounced Arminianism as heresy.I think that's too strong;but as I said -- the Arminian system is not biblical theology.It truncates the gospel and weakens the witness of Scripture on serious biblical issues;especially in the area of soteriology.

You must thereby conclude that all who are Arminians are thereby heretics, and must be treated so. You must also repent, because in being on this board and interacting with known Arminians (=Semi-Pelagians=heretics) you are disobeying God's direct command to His Calvinist children to "come out from among them, and be ye Separate, saith the Lord."

JDale

 

[JDale]

A brief and insufficient definition of the three


Pelagianism:
Denies original sin and elevates natural and moral human ability to live spiritually fulfilled lives apart from the grace of God, but does consider it helpful

Semi-Pelagianism:
Has a modified version of original sin but believes that humans have the ability, even in a natural and fallen state, to initiate salvation by exercising a good will toward God

Arminianism:
Affirms the prevenience of grace to every human exercise of a good will toward God, including nonresistance to the saving work of Christ and therefor teaches that God has given humans free will, and humans are able to freely choose or reject salvation.

On a personal note, in my opinion any theology that is not MONERGISTIC is heresy!!
Synergism = Heresy


If you are having trouble understanding Arminianism, let me suggest the book "Arminian Theology" by Roger Olsen. It answered a lot of questions for me. and also raised a lot to. I will he is an Arminian.

Reformer

In that case, read my above post to the Ripper.

You guys are gonna be in for a BIG surprise in Heaven!



JDale

 

[Marcia]

On a personal note, in my opinion any theology that is not MONERGISTIC is heresy!!
Synergism = Heresy

Are you saying that anyone who does not hold to Calvinism is a heretic?

 

[Rippon]

Actually neither the Calvin or Arminian system is 'biblical' (as in perfect) because both have theological flaws. However, they are both on the same spiritual level so whatever one is the other naturally follows.

Erin,could you please translate this into understandable English?Whatever do you mean by "they are both on the same spiritual level so whatever one is the other naturally follows."?I'm sure others here couldn't make heads of this statement of yours as well.

 

[Rippon]

You must thereby conclude that all who are Arminians are thereby heretics, and must be treated so. You must also repent, because in being on this board and interacting with known Arminians (=Semi-Pelagians=heretics) you are disobeying God's direct command to His Calvinist children to "come out from among them, and be ye Separate, saith the Lord."

JDale

You're another one here who doesn't read too well. I had said that "The Synod of Dort pronounced Arminianism as heresy." But I went on to say that was "too strong." Care to eat crow now?

 

[pinoybaptist]

Are you saying that anyone who does not hold to Calvinism is a heretic?

That's what he is indeed saying.
Do you agree ?
I don't.

Poor definition and not verbatim but: a heretic is one who does not hold to views that are popularly held.

In that case, a Calvinist will have to prove that his doctrine is the one that is popularly held, an Arminian will have to do the same thing, and so would a semi-Pelagian, and a Pelagian.

Now, if one Calvinist church or association points to another Calvinist church within their association and call certain aspects of their teaching heresy because they have closely examined it not to be "in step" with their association's member churches' teachings, then they are right, and the same thing with the other 'isms.

But since the majority of Baptists think of themselves as local, autonomous, and independent, and most abhor associations, where is heresy ?

 

[Rippon]

I think a number of folks here (especially the non-Cals) would consider heresy as holding to soul-damning doctrines.That's what a mod said regarding Calvinists.

If one wants to reduce the severity of the word to holding a minority position then the question has to be asked "Do you mean a minority stance with respect to the last 2,000 years of Church History -- or the last 100 or so years?"

An even better way of addressing the subject of heresy is to ask what the Scriptures say.

I have used the term anti-biblical to those who depart from God's Word in certain areas.I regard this as serious.I do not mean to imply that they are unsaved and bound for everlasting burnings.

I have used the term sub-biblical in reference to those who distort portions of God's Word.It's not as bad as anti-biblical;but is still significant.

 

[Reformer]

Are you saying that anyone who does not hold to Calvinism is a heretic?

I am saying that, In my opinion, any theology that is synergistic is untrue, false, man glorifying, selfish, a works based salvation, and against scripture, therefore, it is (to some degree) heresy.

BUT, I would be very cautious to call anyone a heretic because 1: the heart is what Christ looks at 2: heresy comes in different shapes and forms 3: heresy is thought of differently by different people, some see it as always damnable while others view it as any untruth that is taught or believed. So I would not call an Arminian a heretic, I would just call them wrong...... No need for everyone to get offended, many of you think I am wrong and that is fine, I just stated what everyone believes about the people they disagree with

 

[pinoybaptist]

I am saying that, In my opinion, any theology that is synergistic is untrue, false, man glorifying, selfish, a works based salvation, and against scripture, therefore, it is (to some degree) heresy.

BUT, I would be very cautious to call anyone a heretic because 1: the heart is what Christ looks at 2: heresy comes in different shapes and forms 3: heresy is thought of differently by different people, some see it as always damnable while others view it as any untruth that is taught or believed. So I would not call an Arminian a heretic, I would just call them wrong...... No need for everyone to get offended, many of you think I am wrong and that is fine, I just stated what everyone believes about the people they disagree with

Peace, brother !
On these qualifications of what you mean by heresy, we are in agreement.

 

[Reformer]

No, he was not 'run out' of Rome.

He stayed there till Rome was sacked and then fled to Carthage where it is said he met up with Augustine in person. He was later said to be Palistine till he died.

From Wiki:

Most of the above info is from Wiki and it agrees with other sources I have read 'some what' concerning it.

I stand corrected

I was mostly going off memory of what someone (who may, or may not have known what they were talking about) had told me quiet some time ago. Thanks for the CORRECT info. :thumbs:

 

[Allan]

I stand corrected

I was mostly going off memory of what someone (who may, or may not have known what they were talking about) had told me quiet some time ago. Thanks for the CORRECT info. :thumbs:

No prob. Just so you know however I was only putting forth information on something you weren't sure of and nothing more. :thumbs: