Define: Legalist

[dan e.]

You ever stop to consider -- there are, what, about a gazillion or two strippers and a gazillion squared strip club attendees. What better place to reach a gazillion people for the Lord than going into a strip club?

Why are you comparing everything to the extreme? You are honestly comparing Myspace to a strip club?? Why are you even on the internet right now....do you realize that there about a gazillion immoral things going on online? You need to stay off the internet.

You are improperly fixated on creating EXTRA-BIBLICAL rules!

 

[dan e.]

The problem with a legalist/pharisee/whatever you want to call them is that it is impossible to be consistent....kind of like relativism.

You point out little things that you think people ought to "obey", yet aren't consistent in all your little rules. Ever consider that this is why it isn't about following rules?

 

[richard n koustas]

my myspace user name is redeemed, it is linkied to my email address redeemed@kjvmail.com. look it up. there is not much there, but, it all about the one that redeemed me...

ps. i wouldn't compare myspace to a strip joint, i would compare it with a field, agriculture, where the seed can be planted, or watered...and we all know who gives the increase.

:wavey:

 

[Rufus_1611]

Why are you comparing everything to the extreme? You are honestly comparing Myspace to a strip club??

This wasn't my rule if you recall, it was something some preacher brought up according to a poster. I just don't think it's as legalistic as ya'll make it out to be. How much different is Myspace from a strip club? Are you saying there is no nakedness on Myspace? Are you saying there is no glorification of alcohol and drugs on Myspace? No fornication, no adultery, no evil communications? I used to spend time on Myspace and I saw all of that stuff. I must admit I haven't been on it in some time now, perhaps it's improved and it's a place where the righteous hang out now?

Why are you even on the internet right now....do you realize that there about a gazillion immoral things going on online? You need to stay off the internet. You are improperly fixated on creating EXTRA-BIBLICAL rules!

 

[Rufus_1611]

The problem with a legalist/pharisee/whatever you want to call them is that it is impossible to be consistent....kind of like relativism.

You point out little things that you think people ought to "obey", yet aren't consistent in all your little rules. Ever consider that this is why it isn't about following rules?

What are you accusing me of exactly. Are you saying I spend time on Myspace?

 

[dan e.]

You're right...I'll back up. I recognize that it wasn't your rule, but am showing that it is an example of an extra-biblical rule that is rediculous to try and make other believers follow.

Comparing Myspace to a strip joint is silly. Again, it isn't hard to prove you are inconsistent if you think believers should stay off of myspace because of things that go on there. You are on the internet right now, aren't you?

 

[npetreley]

Why are you comparing everything to the extreme? You are honestly comparing Myspace to a strip club?? Why are you even on the internet right now....do you realize that there about a gazillion immoral things going on online? You need to stay off the internet.

You are improperly fixated on creating EXTRA-BIBLICAL rules!

This is extremely typical of legalists. They say "never use thumb tacks", and when you say that's ridiculous, they respond, "So you're in favor of murder? After all thumb are pointy like knives...etc."

That's actually very close to being a symptom of schizophrenia. The difference is the schizophrenic makes a connection between two unrelated things and can't separate them in his mind. The legalist makes a connection between two distantly related things and can't separate them.
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[ShotGunWillie]

That's actually very close to being a symptom of schizophrenia. The difference is the schizophrenic makes a connection between two unrelated things and can't separate them in his mind. The legalist makes a connection between two distantly related things and can't separate them.

So Am I a legalist or a schizophrenic?

 

[Hope of Glory]

Actually, MySpace prohibits nudity. If you find some, report it, and they will delete the account.

But, by the reasoning presented here, we need to get rid of the internet, telephones, automobiles (you have to get to the place where you're going to fornicate!), grocery stores, convenience stores, drug stores, brothers, sisters, friends, classy restaurants...

 

[dan e.]

but don't forget, you can't park in lots owned by a place that sells liquor.

 

[npetreley]

So Am I a legalist or a schizophrenic?

You tell me. Would you tell Christians not to eat in public places because you believe eating in public is like having sex in public? If so, then you're schizophrenic.

Would you tell Christians not to park in places where they sell liquor because you believe that seeing their car in such a parking lot is tantamount to advocating getting drunk? Then I'd say you're mostly legalist, borderline schizophrenic.

Would you tell Christians not to park in places where they sell liquor because you believe it is (in general) a bad witness? Then I'd say you're a legalist.

 

[Rufus_1611]

You're right...I'll back up. I recognize that it wasn't your rule, but am showing that it is an example of an extra-biblical rule that is rediculous to try and make other believers follow.

It's not ridiculous. If the pastor is looking out for the souls of his flock and encourages the young of his flock to stay clear of Myspace, these instructions should be heeded if there is no direct scriptural contradiction. How would it harm the spiritual growth of a young Christian to avoid Myspace?

Comparing Myspace to a strip joint is silly. Again, it isn't hard to prove you are inconsistent if you think believers should stay off of myspace because of things that go on there. You are on the internet right now, aren't you?

The world wide web is a virtual world that mimics phyical realities. Since it is virtual these are not direct comparisons. However, if I leave my house to go to church, I am not in sin. If I leave my house to go to a strip club that is sin. From my web browser, if I browse to Baptistboard, I do not believe this to be sin. However, if I browse to a web site that I know promotes lusts of the flesh then that would be sin. Thus, being on the internet is not sinful but going to places we ought not go is. The pastor in question thinks there is danger for his young sheep to go to Myspace, I think he has an argument for that and I don't think it legalism for him to ask his young followers to avoid such a spiritually dangerous site.

 

[Archeryaddict]

Read the hip hop thread, and you will see it firsthand.

Ding Ding Ding
We Have A Winner!
You can close the thread now.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

You tell me. Would you tell Christians not to eat in public places because you believe eating in public is like having sex in public? If so, then you're schizophrenic.

What kind of food is it? If it is anything other than a good chicken fried steak or tex-mex, then your sinning by omission.

Would you tell Christians not to park in places where they sell liquor because you believe that seeing their car in such a parking lot is tantamount to advocating getting drunk? Then I'd say you're mostly legalist, borderline schizophrenic

Would you tell Christians not to park in places where they sell liquor because you believe it is (in general) a bad witness? Then I'd say you're a legalist..

Is this store attached to several other stores like a shopping center or something?
Does the store sell anything else, like fishing bait, ammunition, choir robes?
Am I parked in the very front of the store or the furtherest point away from the door?

I have a story that goes along with this, but far worse considering the store "type" and such.

 

[EdSutton]

So Am I a legalist or a schizophrenic?

I dunno' 'bout you.

But personally, I have half a mind to call this entire thread useless.

The other half still has a headache, from my last post, here. :tonofbricks:

Ed

 

[npetreley]

What kind of food is it? If it is anything other than a good chicken fried steak or tex-mex, then your sinning by omission.

:laugh: I'm having a hard time arguing with this, although I'd pick several other foods. I've only been in Texas for 2 1/2 years now, but I'm already a big fan of chicken fried steak, and I've always liked tex-mex.

Is this store attached to several other stores like a shopping center or something?
Does the store sell anything else, like fishing bait, ammunition, choir robes?
Am I parked in the very front of the store or the furtherest point away from the door?

I have a story that goes along with this, but far worse considering the store "type" and such.

If I got that specific with my answers, I'd be a legalist.

Personally, I'm so conservative in some respects that I probably fall a bit right of Attilla the Hun. But I'm extremely liberal about things like this. I couldn't care less where you park, and I couldn't care less what anyone thinks of where I park.

 

[npetreley]

I dunno' but actually, I have half a mind to call this entire thread useless.

Speaking of "half a mind", I've been called an idiot savant. Okay, that's only half true.

 

[dan e.]

How would it harm the spiritual growth of a young Christian to avoid Myspace?

You're missing the point. Nobody said that it would harm anything or anyone to avoid it.

This is about a pastor feeling that they are in the position to make rules that are extra-biblical, and expect their flock to follow it. That is being legalistic.

 

[Rufus_1611]

You're missing the point. Nobody said that it would harm anything or anyone to avoid it.

This is about a pastor feeling that they are in the position to make rules that are extra-biblical, and expect their flock to follow it. That is being legalistic.

If it is in fact extra-biblical then I would tend to agree. However, he has an argument that it is Biblical to encourage the youth of a church to avoid a web site that is filled with images and text of nakedness, cursing, alcohol use, drug use, rock and roll and a greater percentage of antichrist material than proChrist material.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

If I got that specific with my answers, I'd be a legalist

Let me tell you a story and see what you think...

A young man lives in a small town that has the only Adult Material store FOR MILES around that sits right next to the major interstate (this plays stays busy), that divdes the town. Everyone this young man knows, knows what he drives, everyone the young man knows, knows he attends church regularly and claims to be a Christian. This adult book store has nothing, I MEAN NOTHING even a two miles near it, so the only reason why someone would go there, would be for one thing, ADULT MATERIAL.

Well, this young man is driving his car down the service road, and for no good reason his hood pops up covers his winshield completely, can only stick his head out of the driver's side window to see where he is going (not very safe), the nearest thing is this porn shop, so he has no choice but to pull into that parking lot. He parks a distance from the door, but he has to go in, because he needs something to strap that hood down with. So he runs inside (anyone passing can clearly see his car), he has to go all the way to the back of the store to get any help from the clerk. He asks the clerk for a hanger, a strap, tie down, something. The clerk is no help. So as he is leaving HE STEALS the tie down that is used on the entrance/exit doors, and exits the building.

Now, how does that look to people passing by, without asking, the young man looks like a porn maniac, is he?